Old 01-05-2013, 01:15 PM   #1
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Does this photo again derserve a PEQ ?

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I am ready to accept any other rejection reason for this photo, but how can it be rejected for PEQ? It shows a very unique rail vehicle that has never before been uploaded to the database. Should I appeal?

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Old 01-05-2013, 01:36 PM   #2
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While it is a good shot of very interesting equipment, aesthetically the building and the yellow machine pull the eye away too much from the main point of interest, the front of the "engine."

Where's the railcar this trip? (LOL! Private Daniel-Dennis joke)
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Dennis, I don't find the structure or machine having as strong a presence as you do. I think the shot is fine, except that I would try a bit of shadows adjustment. Otherwise, yes, appeal, completely worthy.
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Old 01-05-2013, 02:30 PM   #4
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It is really difficult to recognize that it's a railcar (railtruck), or just a ruined truck on a wagon. There are many similar vehicles can be seen in Eastern Europe, like Romania.

Just one example from You:

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I think it may be a case of screener roulette. I think there are certain screeners who are very reluctant to accept any rail vehicle other than a "real train" while others are a bit more open minded. You could try an appeal (although I agree the big yellow machine right behind the rail vehicle could be a distraction), and hope that whichever Chris looks at the appeal likes unusual rail vehicles.

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Old 01-05-2013, 05:19 PM   #6
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Thanks to all of you guys for your input.

Based on your comments, I appealed. Let's see what the outcome will be
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I thought the shot was very interesting. Not a "PEQ" in my book.
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Dennis, I don't find the structure or machine having as strong a presence as you do.
But you are not a screener J. (Neither am I thank goodness

I was looking for a reason the screener choose to reject this one on aesthetic grounds. For me the obvious aesthetic reason would be that the machine and building are "touching" the main point of interest, are similar color to it and that spoils a pleasing composition.

If you want to count nits.

Which is what screeners do.

Hehehehe.
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Lightbulb Major eye roll!

As a normal RP shot it has some real problems such as a lack of light on the nose, the building in the background, the plant material obstructing the wheels and the junk to the right.

That being said, the subject in the image and the explanation in the caption are interesting as hell and this is yet another example of the screener roulette that tends to keep great images off this site.

Is the image itself great - no, but the subject is off the chart.

Where this to be accepted I predict it would view in the top 4 of the day, and probably stay there for the week.

Perhaps you could crop out as much of the building as you can and still maintain the image dimensions and not squeeze the subject.

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.....I was looking for a reason the screener choose to reject this one on aesthetic grounds.
No nexus to an NS heritage unit and it is not located in WV.

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No nexus to an NS heritage unit and it is not located in WV.
I was looking for that one!

I must have misplaced it in a folder labeled RP logic.

Couldn't find that either!

hehehe
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And since we are in the midst of a screener bitchfest, let me ask this - how did this get accepted?

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But you are not a screener J. (Neither am I thank goodness

I was looking for a reason the screener choose to reject this one on aesthetic grounds. For me the obvious aesthetic reason would be that the machine and building are "touching" the main point of interest, are similar color to it and that spoils a pleasing composition.

If you want to count nits.

Which is what screeners do.

Hehehehe.
I've always taken PEQ as referring to broader issues of aesthetic judgment and not the more nitty gritty such as what you describe. Now, at the moment, I am hard pressed to come up with what rejection reason they might use for, say, an ordinary diesel wedgie where there is a machine and building sort-of blending into the train.

I no longer recall, what does RP use as the rejection for pole sticking out of the engine?
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I've always taken PEQ as referring to broader issues of aesthetic judgment and not the more nitty gritty such as what you describe.
Normally I agree. But since I find, aesthetically, the machine and the building to be a problem, that seemed enough to answer what the stated rejection was.

So, rather than reading too much into the stated rejection like we do here all so often, I went with what I saw to be the obvious issue.
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......So, rather than reading too much into the stated rejection like we do here all so often, I went with what I saw to be the obvious issue.
Oh no, for you to be a real rail forum member, you should delve into a seven page dissertation about the perceived issue based on stuff that is pulled out of.....

Well....

thin air, or one's posterior.
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Oh no, for you to be a real rail forum member, you should delve into a seven page dissertation about the perceived issue based on stuff that is pulled out of.....

Well....

thin air, or one's posterior.
Darn, I forgot.
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Darn, I forgot.
Or the Train Orders version......

46, 47, 48, 49.........
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I see someone finally came to their senses.

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T.O. like this?

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Congrats Daniel!
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Thanks again to all of you for your support. This shows again that one should never give up too quickly ...
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Where this to be accepted I predict it would view in the top 4 of the day, and probably stay there for the week.
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T.O. like this?

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Exactly.

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A picture of some T.O. members well.......(dramatic pause)

doing what they do best - counting rivets.
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Too bad he's not pointing directly at a rivet.
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Too bad he's not pointing directly at a rivet.
It is ok, because you can tell from the way Dennis set up the shot, the man "had" been pointing at a rivet just a second before.
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At least now we know where Bob Hoskins has been lately.
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