Old 07-30-2007, 04:53 PM   #1
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Default Balance Rejection--Please explain!!

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I have here a photo, rejected for "high sun," and the "overall balance" rejection. I am 100% totally lost as to just exactly what they mean by the "balance" rejection. It is rather vague. Please explain what I might do to improve it. Thanks for all advice/criticisms/suggestions!!

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I might also ask, while I am here, how do you determine just the right angle of the sun to avoid the "high sun" problem--another of the problems I struggle with the most?
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Old 07-30-2007, 05:00 PM   #2
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for me personally, if the shadow of one or both of the railheads is down more than halfway on the rail, or if its a face on shot, if half the snowplow is shadowed, its high sun.

In your shot, the front lighting is good, but the side is shadowed, and there isn't much definition of the trucks. This tells me the sun wasn't behind you, but off to the right side, almost directly in front of the train. I wouldn't call it high sun, but the lighting is poor.

compo/balance in this instance is telling you the crop is off.. too much space in front of the train, and the train is basically centered vertically in the frame..

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Old 07-30-2007, 05:08 PM   #3
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The train is too far to the left. I would crop about halfway across the canopy (say at the peak of the roof) and a little of the top and bottom to keep the ratio the same.

High sun basically means that it is not shining on the trucks, usually caused by being high in the sky in the middle of the day during the summer. In this case though, I think that the sun is shining straight down the track, not really lighting either side of the train, so "high sun" can really apply at any time of day

HERE is an example that would probably be rejected for "high sun", although it was taken at ten to eight in the morning. The sun is not high in the sky, just at the wrong angle to correctly light the subject.
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Thanks a million guys!!! I am going to try that same location earlier in the day(around 8am our time here in St. Louis). Let's see what happens!!!
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I recropped the picture, for illustrative purposes only, to put it out there to see if this is how you meant I should crop it to overcome the "balance" rejection. Even though I now know it would be hit for "high sun," at least I want to gain an understanding as to how it should be cropped.
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In this case though, I think that the sun is shining straight down the track, not really lighting either side of the train, so "high sun" can really apply at any time of day
I have had rejections for high sun which more correctly would fall in the category of "head-on sun" rather than high sun, just as WembYard explains here.

One of my favorite spots for photographing Norfolk Southern train traffic is pretty much useless this time of year until after about 6pm. Before that the sun seems to travel a path directly over and in line with the tracks, which keeps either side of the train in shadow and makes the railhead shadow reach all the way to the bottom of the rails even at 8am. After 6pm the sun is a little northwest of the track and evening shots are possible.

You might want to try a different time of day, or maybe even a different time of year, to retry this one. Also, I think a little tighter crop is in order here, similar to your example in post #5.
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Old 07-30-2007, 05:29 PM   #7
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I recropped the picture, for illustrative purposes only, to put it out there to see if this is how you meant I should crop it to overcome the "balance" rejection. Even though I now know it would be hit for "high sun," at least I want to gain an understanding as to how it should be cropped.
I'd cut some more off the bottom myself...

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I recropped the picture, for illustrative purposes only, to put it out there to see if this is how you meant I should crop it to overcome the "balance" rejection. Even though I now know it would be hit for "high sun," at least I want to gain an understanding as to how it should be cropped.
I think more needs to be done instead of just a simple crop. If you go back to that location, take a few steps to the left to avoid that high clump of grass that's a little distracting. You've got a long section of NOTHING impeding the view of the tracks to the left of that grass, so try to line up the right side of the frame just to the left of that grass. Also, it appears there is a tree or something else further down the tracks just out of the frame. You can use that to add something interesting in the background on the left side, especially since this is just a basic wedgie shot. Maybe you can even incorporate what looks to be an overpass in the background, too. IMO, the picnic area out in front of the train just doesn't do enough for the image, and if anything, takes the attention away from the main subject.

You might want to try to get down lower to "hide" the powerlines in back of the train, although you'll probably still see the poles sticking up.
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Thanks Jim!!
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This shot also looks soft or slightly out of focus.


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HERE is an example that would probably be rejected for "high sun", although it was taken at ten to eight in the morning. The sun is not high in the sky, just at the wrong angle to correctly light the subject.
You can tell from the shadows of the handrails that it isn't high sun - but you have to be paying close attention.
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