Old 08-21-2013, 12:17 AM   #1
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So I thought these would be awesome images for the site. Everything is sharp clear well lit. Rule of thirds in mind. Interesting. Why PEQ? I need help with a direction to go in. This was obviously a failure.


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Old 08-21-2013, 12:28 AM   #2
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In defining "awesome for the site" you perhaps considered your own preferences but surely neglected to consider the preferences that matter, those of the screeners. Sure the occasional "pretty girl" shot does get on but they are basically never posed miniskirt shots. No cheesecake on RP.
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Old 08-21-2013, 12:34 AM   #3
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They would be good for your viewcount, for sure.

I sure can appreciate a nice modeling shot, but this looks like a mundane train roster shot with a girl in it.

There are many ways to incorporate a model in a railroad setting (WITHOUT standing on the track). If you want to become a better model photog, explore those avenues. I'd be the first to want to look at your shots (alas, not on RP).
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Both look a bit forced.

Both are also posters for high sun rejection.
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Train = Check
Light = Check
Wedgie = Check
Distracting object = Check (It's a joke..)
Quality = Getting there..


I feel a better rejection reason was needed. The second photo lost some quality during resizing. I will say that the first photo has more "distracting" objects in it compared to the train. I'd say keep it on flickr or Facebook.
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I have no idea what the hell she is doing in the first photo. Modeling or laying flowers for someone who found out what natural selection was.
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Others have said it, but I'll repeat it... you need a reason for her to be there. Is she watching the train? Is she startled by the train? Is she going to miss the train.

Beyond that you have both lighting and cropping issues, but those are easily taken care of once you deal with the bigger issue. Pose with the train isn't going to work. Have her do something (run for the train, wave at the train, be annoyed that the train is in her way - whatever).
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For a second, I thought Freeman Hubbard had risen from the grave...

(you need considerable seniority to know of what I speak).
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For a second, I thought Freeman Hubbard had risen from the grave...

(you need considerable seniority to know of what I speak).
Dammit, Ron - I knew immediately... Dang - I have considerable seniority?????

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I think if you are going for that sort of thing, you need to show a little more skin or a more suggestive pose.

Like others are saying, what is she bending over for? Awkward pose.
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In defining "awesome for the site" you perhaps considered your own preferences but surely neglected to consider the preferences that matter, those of the screeners. Sure the occasional "pretty girl" shot does get on but they are basically never posed miniskirt shots. No cheesecake on RP.
There's been plenty of cheesecake stuff like this, like the guy who took a picture of the posed wedding shots. That was pretty cheeseball if you ask me.

I think the one the OP posted is "lacking".
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Needs a better setting for one. It seems like a random girl beside a moving train shot to me. Find a platform or something, some reason for girl to be near train other than "I want 5,000 views on RP."
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If you are soliciting advice:

How about staging a fan just off frame and when she bends over, her blouse is blown up and she has a naughty "oh my, what's happening" look on her face, a-la Marilyn Monroe, and you should also be able to see the engineer with his head out the window and tounge hanging out of his mouth as he runs a stop signal instead of properly operating the train. Her face and bosom must be visible.
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The shot is poorly composed and thought out.

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In simplest terms, the train is not the subject of either photo, rather it provides the background.

High sun too.

That would be ok for a modeling site, or on Flickr, this is a railroad site and the train, or the RR element of the scene is supposed to be of primary interest.

Were the women just in the shot, you might have got it past them, but the platform is empty and she is obviously looking at you, and under your direction.

If you are going to pose a shot, the RR theme must be unmistakable and complete (such as the recent Big Boy photo shoot in Pomona CA) otherwise it will get kicked.


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There's been plenty of cheesecake stuff like this, like the guy who took a picture of the posed wedding shots. That was pretty cheeseball if you ask me.

I think the one the OP posted is "lacking".
If you are talking about the wedding shots at Fullerton, the contributor did not pose the shots, rather he/they shot over the shoulders of whatever ding dong was doing it for the happy couple.

They seem to do this often at Fullerton, oftentimes standing on the tracks.

FYI - the RAT is still ranting about John Ryan's pregnant lady at the station photo. Seems he finds the subject "inappropriate."

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So this train (out of focus) is the subject of this photo, but in the rejected pics, the train (in focus) was not the subject?
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FYI - the RAT is still ranting about John Ryan's pregnant lady at the station photo. Seems he finds the subject "inappropriate."
I think you mean Travis, not John, although I can't find the shot to prove it.
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There's been plenty of cheesecake stuff like this, like the guy who took a picture of the posed wedding shots. That was pretty cheeseball if you ask me.
"cheesecake" is not the same concept as "cheesy"
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I think you mean Travis, not John, although I can't find the shot to prove it.
I dont remember who it was, it was someone back east, not California, but it was corny, cheesy, however you want to say it. In my opinion, for what it's worth anyway.
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So this train (out of focus) is the subject of this photo, but in the rejected pics, the train (in focus) was not the subject?
Actually, no the landscape, the girl and the lighting is the subject.

What is in focus is only part of the issue.


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They are not the same person?

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In simplest terms, the train is not the subject of either photo, rather it provides the background.

That would be ok for a modeling site, or on Flickr, this is a railroad site and the train, or the RR element of the scene is supposed to be of primary interest.

If you are going to pose a shot, the RR theme must be unmistakable and complete (such as the recent Big Boy photo shoot in Pomona CA) otherwise it will get kicked.

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Actually, no the landscape, the girl and the lighting is the subject.

What is in focus is only part of the issue.
I'm just saying that if the RR aspect is supposed to be the primary interest in the photo, then the other pic should have been rejected too. And looking at that one, quite a few people seem to like that one.

In the rejected the pic, the train is actually in focus and a big part of the picture and it gets rejected?

I'm also concerned that RP actually rejected a pic with a girl in it period.
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Thanks a lot, Loyd.
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I'm just saying that if the RR aspect is supposed to be the primary interest in the photo, then the other pic should have been rejected too. And looking at that one, quite a few people seem to like that one.
I was on the fence about David Honan's shot, but I also wasn't upset it made the database. With the girl looking in the direction she is, she has to be in focus in my mind instead of the train. But I could never wrap my mind around what one had to do with the other.
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In the rejected the pic, the train is actually in focus and a big part of the picture and it gets rejected?
Perhaps the fact that both the train and the girl are in focus in the Amtrak shot is actually part of the problem. Getting teh train further down track and this blurring it out actually tells a better story. Or at least leaves open the chance that the girl is waiting on the train. Now, it seems we have two random elements each fighting for their space within the shot where in Honan's shot, they aren't. Not to mention the rocks and trees in his shot adds to the scene.
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