Old 03-21-2010, 02:57 PM   #1
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I was with the CNWHS yesterday and we had the 244 a Alco RS1 While I dont beileve this is RP worthy because we were loosing light fast and the photo line. However how would you guys deal with this location because of the photoline ect.

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I don't understand the question "deal with the photo line." You pick your spot, on the line or away from it, and go for it. In this case the light was gone, nothing to be done. Next time someone should arrange for the plants/weeds to be removed, with appropriate permission as needed.
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I'm not sure what you mean by "how would you deal with this location because of the photo line?" Are you talking about the angle that you picked, or are you talking about dealing with a hoard of other photographers ending up with the same shot, or what?

With regards to this shot:
- Get ride of the shrub in the foreground
- Wait a few months until it's green and not brown
- Better light would certainly be nice, of course
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I'm not sure what you mean by "how would you deal with this location because of the photo line?" Are you talking about the angle that you picked, or are you talking about dealing with a hoard of other photographers ending up with the same shot, or what?

With regards to this shot:
- Get ride of the shrub in the foreground
- Wait a few months until it's green and not brown
- Better light would certainly be nice, of course
A bit of both.
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First the scene...


and then the photo line.

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Old 03-21-2010, 07:26 PM   #6
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I thought we were more helpfull then the above vids around here. While I got one decent responce the youtube viedos were not needed and they were not one bit of help, sorry. I thought I would get some advice about photo lines since im new with them.
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I thought I would get some advice about photo lines since im new with them.
Avoid them and get creative.
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I thought we were more helpfull then the above vids around here. While I got one decent responce the youtube viedos were not needed and they were not one bit of help, sorry. I thought I would get some advice about photo lines since im new with them.
Have a sense of humor!

Honestly, the best way I've found to deal with photolines is to just avoid them entirely. Too much of a hassle for a shot that's identical to 20 other peoples' shots. "You're in my shot!" "Shut up, you're ruining my video!" "Everyone move to the left 2 feet, there's a twig in my shot!" "How about I come down there and kick your ass?"

No thanks, I'll avoid the charters entirely or find a nice, tucked-away spot that I can have to myself...
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Weren't needed????! The videos completely solve both problems you have. Trackside garbage and a line of people in the way.

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I thought we were more helpfull then the above vids around here. While I got one decent responce the youtube viedos were not needed and they were not one bit of help, sorry. I thought I would get some advice about photo lines since im new with them.
In the words of the great philosopher, John Winger, "Lighten up, Francis."

The location for the photo line clearly wasn't chosen by a photographer, much less one putting any thought into how everyone in the group can get a good photo. I would "deal with this location" by picking another one, or putting the camera back in the bag.
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Hi Todd,

How you "deal" with photo lines depends on a lot of things. It really helps if the charter operator gives you some intel on the photo locations prior to the trip. The best ones typically put together a list of run-by locations and will sometimes even give you diagrams showing the photo line positions. That kind of information allows you to plan your angles and make a bee-line for the spot you want as soon as you are off the train. As soon as you get there, look for obstructions, shadows or other issues that might dictate a different plan. Don't wait for the photo line to completely form or you may not have much choice where to stand. If you do get stuck in a spot with someone or something obstructing your shot, don't be afraid to ask the "obstructor" to work with you. If you're still not successful ask the charter operator for help. Those folks get repeat business by making customers happy, so as long as you are nice, they will almost always try to help you.

As others have implied, sometimes it is good to get away from the photo line and get a unique angle. Some of the best shots on RP habitually wander away from the line. If you're going to wander however, it REALLY helps to know the spots in advance. You will usually need to know what you're going to do in advance. And of course, make sure that whatever you do does not foul someone else's shot. Be aware that at some photo spots, you won't have room to wander and you'll just have to settle for the photo line shot.

Again, if there are personal conflicts, being nice generally works better than cussing or yelling at the folks who are causing the issue for you.

As for the spot in your shot...... As John Craft noted, no experienced charter operator would have picked that spot or those lighting conditions.
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There are about two locations they picked to do photo run bys at The Y camp is one and 'gravel pit siding is another, For those that havent been on the BSV heres a link that will hopfully show you where the locations are
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...06201&t=h&z=17
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note to self for next trip...bring machette!


seriously, I was expecting to see people in your shot, i.e. the photo line.

Last summer I went out to shoot 4449 in Indiana on it's return trip. I was there mid morning and just held my ground, especially after lunch time and didn't move. As long as people are respcting property lines, shouldn't be a problem. The ligthing that day, however... and then don't get me started on learning the difference b/w oil and coal in terms of smoke. Did I mention the smok was better in town when I was chasing him trying to find some side-light?
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Wow. Big-time fail. Sgt. Hulka said that.
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When I was chasing the 315 on the Cumbres and Toltec, I got my position by the Cumbres section house. I was the first one there. Soon after many photographers lined up behind me. Then they started screaming at me to get out of the way. I gave them my finger and told the I was there first. They eventually moved elsewhere. I got my shots and plenty of them ended up on RP.

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When I was chasing the 315 on the Cumbres and Toltec, I got my position by the Cumbres section house. I was the first one there. Soon after many photographers lined up behind me. Then they started screaming at me to get out of the way. I gave them my finger and told the I was there first. They eventually moved elsewhere. I got my shots and plenty of them ended up on RP.

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When I was chasing the 315 on the Cumbres and Toltec, I got my position by the Cumbres section house. I was the first one there. Soon after many photographers lined up behind me. Then they started screaming at me to get out of the way. I gave them my finger and told the I was there first. They eventually moved elsewhere. I got my shots and plenty of them ended up on RP.
Hopefully the photographers were chasers, and not paying patrons.

The "I was the first person there" rule is good, unless the first person to a location doesn't understand how to compose a good photo. Many photo lines will start like 3 feet away from the ballast and angle away with out people realizing that if they all took 10 steps back, they could include a really nice depot or prop in the photo.

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Hopefully the photographers were chasers, and not paying patrons.

The "I was the first person there" rule is good, unless the first person to a location doesn't understand how to compose a good photo. Many photo lines will start like 3 feet away from the ballast and angle away with out people realizing that if they all took 10 steps back, they could include a really nice depot or prop in the photo.

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Hopefully the photographers were chasers, and not paying patrons.

The "I was the first person there" rule is good, unless the first person to a location doesn't understand how to compose a good photo. Many photo lines will start like 3 feet away from the ballast and angle away with out people realizing that if they all took 10 steps back, they could include a really nice depot or prop in the photo.

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Actually, I purchased a chase pass for 75 bucks. I know a lot of the other photographers didn't have one. And here is that particular shot I got and I wouldn't budge.
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There was another fellow next to me, as you can see by the partial shadow on the bottom. I think he said his name was Jim Conway, also helped stand my ground.

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Actually, I purchased a chase pass for 75 bucks. I know a lot of the other photographers didn't have one. And here is that particular shot I got and I wouldn't budge.
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There was another fellow next to me, as you can see by the partial shadow on the bottom. I think he said his name was Jim Conway, also helped stand my ground.

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Chris, I am curious as to where those other folks wanted to shoot. If they were to your right, I can't imagine you'd have been in their shot. If they were behind you.....well, there's not much behind you to add to the scene you captured here. If they were across the bridge and on the hillside behind you, I suspect they could have either framed you out....or photoshopped you out, at that distance.

I think I would have passed on the use of hand signals though. There are animals out there....the two-legged kind....some of whom have far more testosterone than brains.

Offering chase passes was a great idea. I wonder how many they sold? If I were there I certainly would have jumped at the opportunity. The operation you were shooting posed a difficult dilema. Most of us want to support these types of events because they have no future unless we do. Unfortunately, on the line in question, the chasers invariably get more and better shots than the riders. The chase pass is a great compromise, especially for the folks who truly could not afford the charter fare.
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Wow. Big-time fail. Sgt. Hulka said that.
I thought everyone said it at some point during the movie.

But then, it's been a long time since I've seen it.
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Photolines, responce, viedos...all kinds of new words, BTW I learned a lot from the viedos.
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The thing about photo lines is that you simply have to get the best shot.
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Have a sense of humor!

Honestly, the best way I've found to deal with photolines is to just avoid them entirely. Too much of a hassle for a shot that's identical to 20 other peoples' shots. "You're in my shot!" "Shut up, you're ruining my video!" "Everyone move to the left 2 feet, there's a twig in my shot!" "How about I come down there and kick your ass?"

No thanks, I'll avoid the charters entirely or find a nice, tucked-away spot that I can have to myself...
This post gave me a good laugh! Thanks Nick! This reminds me of when I was shooting the A&A or even worse-Sanford Road on a Saturday morning!
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