Old 12-11-2005, 07:40 AM   #1
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Got a bunch of rejections and I was wondering if you guys could give me some advice on them. First off, I think everyone of these got originally rejected for poor lighting.
Thus I lightened them up and one of them got in.
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This is the one I really want to get in. Its a three-train meet at Joliet Union.
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=193332
Originally rejected for cloudy day/common power. Tried appealing on basis of rarity of three train meet.
Rejected and told cropping was issue. Re-cropped to this:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=193372
and was rejected again for cloudy day/common power. Should I re-appeal this one since it could have been a different that re-proccessed this one?

Then this one I had kind of hoped to get in also:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=193376
Rejected for Bad Motive. I really don't know about this one, I can't really see Bad Motive on this one.

This one got rejected for bad angle:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=193348
I do realize its a going away shot, but I kind of think it shows a little story, like getting ready to leave, with the conductor there.

This one was rejected for common power/common angle:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=193339
I tried to appeal on the basis of the interesting/different composition, but was told contrast was an issue. I re-did the contrast and got it rejected for cloudy day/common power:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=193373
Should I re-appeal this one too because it could have been someone else that re-screened the photo?

Thanks for all the help!
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Old 12-11-2005, 08:28 AM   #2
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This is the one I really want to get in. Its a three-train meet at Joliet Union.
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=193332
Originally rejected for cloudy day/common power. Tried appealing on basis of rarity of three train meet.
Rejected and told cropping was issue. Re-cropped to this:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=193372
and was rejected again for cloudy day/common power. Should I re-appeal this one since it could have been a different that re-proccessed this one?
You can always appeal, but on something like this, when it has been rejected already for cloudy shot of common power, I would have to wonder why bother? You really can't change that fact, so it is probably one to keep for your own.


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Then this one I had kind of hoped to get in also:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=193376
Rejected for Bad Motive. I really don't know about this one, I can't really see Bad Motive on this one.
Bad motive, of course, is open to opinion. You may like it, but apparently the screener did not. I think your idea was to capture people at the station with Amtrak, which is a good idea. Perhaps, though, it could be presented better. Rather than making it look like a picture that anyone could just take randomly by whipping out a digital camera, this would be a good one for you to go back and try again, and think about the composition of the train with respect to the people. Take a bunch of shots, see which ones look best. You'll probably have many opportunities to try to improve this one, so don't sweat this rejection.



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This one got rejected for bad angle:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=193348
I do realize its a going away shot, but I kind of think it shows a little story, like getting ready to leave, with the conductor there.
A closeup featuring the conductor as the main subject here would have worked. His pose is neat, but he is merely a footnote to the picture standing that far off. What I see more prominently is a going away shot of Amtrak on a cloudy day.

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This one was rejected for common power/common angle:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=193339
I tried to appeal on the basis of the interesting/different composition, but was told contrast was an issue. I re-did the contrast and got it rejected for cloudy day/common power:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=193373
Should I re-appeal this one too because it could have been someone else that re-screened the photo?
Again, it might be someone different who screens it, but again, it is a cloudy shot of BNSF wide nose dash 9s, so why bother? The signal composition is a good idea, but the clouds and common subject don't do much for the picture. It looks like the signal would have the sun in the background if it was sunny? If not, try this same thing on a sunny day with good nose lighting, see what happens.

Overall, you are on the right track with a couple of these, just need to give them a try again on a sunny day.
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Old 12-11-2005, 02:11 PM   #3
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I think you should submit the one of the woman in the pink jacket - if i was the screener that would get in on the first try!
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Old 12-11-2005, 05:17 PM   #4
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The triple meet and the dwarf(?) signal have problems unfixable as I see them. Too much space and obscurred BNSF locomotive in the first. As you lightened the latter, the locomotive paid the price.

I like the conductor one. Juxtaposing a timeless task, checking the watch with modern day equipment. I would like this lightened up and B/W. But 4kV also made a good point with more of the focus on the conductor.

The people rushing to the train seems somewhat odd. Atleast crop out the half-body on the right. It would have been more enjoyable if the train was pointing the other way, as if these passengers were "missing" their train.

Probably all keepers. The accepted photo is great.
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Old 12-11-2005, 07:42 PM   #5
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Out of these two,

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=193332
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=193372

I like the top one the best. The recrop makes the BNSF train look like it was accidentally left in the frame. It makes it look like a mistake in other words. But the top shot doesn't really work well either in my opinion. The sticks or whatever they are that is in the way of the train only takes away from the shot. So now the main subject of shot is far too centered to make sense.

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"Then this one I had kind of hoped to get in also:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=193376
Rejected for Bad Motive. I really don't know about this one, I can't really see Bad Motive on this one."

The "bad motive" is that the screener can't tell if this is a shot of a train or a shot of the backside of people waiting for a train. The actual train is almost an afterthought to the shot.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=193348

This one is good enough. I kinda like it even though the going away aspect may doom it. If I were you, I'd appeal it using the same reason that you gave us as to why you like the shot.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=193339

Another shot where the train is semingly an afterthought. I like that you're trying to do different things and shake things up with your shots. Keep doing that and you will find something that works. This isn't it. I would not suggest appealing it.


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mike i tried to make the pic of the three way meet more shiny by adding some lights to it and add very light shadows and here is the result.i hope that you like it.
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