Old 10-21-2008, 06:20 PM   #1
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Old 10-21-2008, 06:43 PM   #2
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No interesting primary subject, no interesting light, no interesting lack of light, distracting foliage on the right edge, nothing at all "front and center", nothing connecting various parts of the image together. Looks like there is something going on upper right but partially obscured by foliage. Hidden ship. It's like one could draw two circles, semi-upper left background and semi-upper right background, and that is where the photo(s) is present.

Frankly, the worst shot I recall seeing from you, ever.

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Old 10-21-2008, 07:15 PM   #3
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I call this photo Where's Shipo, it's the new series from the Waldo collection.

The dark lighting is what I had, but I like the dark industrial look. I think it is neat how the two straight lines (one going up and the other across) are at a 1/3. I was going for the lots to look at shot more then a main subject. I will get back to you on the rest.

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Old 10-21-2008, 08:10 PM   #4
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I think it has potential, and I like looking at it, but composition wise it is kind of mess. Had the power ran down the track in the middle you would have had a winner, or close to it. I think the murk adds to the scene.
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Old 10-21-2008, 08:10 PM   #5
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The dark lighting is what I had, but I like the dark industrial look. I think it is neat how the two straight lines (one going up and the other across) are at a 1/3. I was going for the lots to look at shot more then a main subject. I will get back to you on the rest.
OK, but that does not do it for me. Intersecting lines can make for a nice semi-abstract, but here the areas being separated by the lines are just not compelling and the things that are the lines themselves are not compelling (for example, that is a pretty uninteresting bridge, as bridges go and especially in this light). As for lots to look at, there are wide areas of the shot with little to look at and in general I don't see it as an interesting details sort of shot.

I'm not piling on, just continuing the conversation.
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Old 10-21-2008, 08:58 PM   #6
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OK, but that does not do it for me. Intersecting lines can make for a nice semi-abstract, but here the areas being separated by the lines are just not compelling and the things that are the lines themselves are not compelling (for example, that is a pretty uninteresting bridge, as bridges go and especially in this light). As for lots to look at, there are wide areas of the shot with little to look at and in general I don't see it as an interesting details sort of shot.

I'm not piling on, just continuing the conversation.
that bridge is an ore dock, now you like the photo! I agree, what if the ore cars on the bottom were at an angle?

I thought this was my worse picture http://www.flickr.com/photos/travsirocz/2715092051/
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I'm not piling on, just continuing the conversation.
I can take whatever you give me. You always give constructive criticism.

I thought the where's Shipo line would have gotten something!
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Old 10-21-2008, 09:34 PM   #8
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that bridge is an ore dock, now you like the photo! I agree, what if the ore cars on the bottom were at an angle?
Then it would not be your worst ever; this one will still "beat" it.

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I vaguely remember the shot and discussion; nope, the current one is far worse. That one has a number of nice qualities.
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I see a nothing sky, a nothing foreground, and a middle that looks like someone printed it and stepped on it a few times. I see nothing whatsoever that suggests composition. I see no evidence of rain whatsoever. Well, maybe a tiny, tiny bit of sheen on the road in front of the crossing.

Seriously, only one opinion, but I think it is terrible. Could you be simply using your knowledge of the taking of the shot to impute information that others cannot because we were not standing next to you at the time?

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Here is what you said about that photo, so I can only imagine what you think of this new one.

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Here is what you said about that photo, so I can only imagine what you think of this new one.

http://forums.railpictures.net/showthread.php?t=7926
Why Travis, that was the OLD, judgmental Janusz! The new, benign Janusz just isn't that way at all.

As much as I didn't like that shot then, I don't care for the shot not as severely today and while I don't like it, it is more interesting than the current shot under discussion, at least to me, right now, here, at this time, with these eyes, in this mood.

Or maybe you just "outdid" yourself!
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Old 10-22-2008, 06:00 AM   #11
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As was said before, it's a mess in terms of composition. I love the dark look, and especially love the differing contrast with the ore dock in the background and the overall industrial feel. But with all the stuff in the foreground as well, it's overwhelming and a mess - to sum it up, there's no clear subject. Your other shots are simpler in terms of composition while maintaining the dark, industrial feel, which really helps them in my opinion.
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I'm a sucker for DMIR (I suppose I should try to go up and shoot them while there's still maroon to shoot), and I must say that your shot's grown on me since I looked at it at lunch today.

My advice is to see what you can do with a black and white treatment - the contrast is certainly there, I think the color in this shot just muddles things up. There's a lot to look at - it's lack of focus makes it interesting to look at.

Solid effort, even if it doesn't end up being RP.net material.
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Going off of Nicks idea of b+w and I also recropped it some gave me rave reviews from the screener. I think this is my all time record or I had a very thorough screener.

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is it fixable?
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Old 10-23-2008, 02:26 AM   #14
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Going off of Nicks idea of b+w and I also recropped it some gave me rave reviews from the screener. I think this is my all time record or I had a very thorough screener.

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is it fixable?
I have to admit I have never seen a photo with that many rejections (9?) before!
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Going off of Nicks idea of b+w and I also recropped it some gave me rave reviews from the screener. I think this is my all time record or I had a very thorough screener.
That is hilarious!

No, no, I haven't done any guest screening.

Actually, the BW and the crop did improve things somewhat (but you cut off a rail on the left edge and an engine on the right so I would do it just a smidge wider on both sides).

Well, you can always blog it, and then you can continue to claim that you have an active blog!
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thoughts on this different angle?
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Wow, 9 rejections thats a new one. I thought I had seen it all.

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thoughts on this different angle?
You can always try your luck, but I think we both know what the answer will be.
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You can always try your luck, but I think we both know what the answer will be.
Do you really think the other one would get more then 9 rejection reasons?
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I have no idea. Didn't someone (AB2?) post a list of rejections earlier this year? You could always find that and see if any more fit.
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I like the original shot, but there are a couple of things that really stick out to me (but I'm not professional! Nor do I claim to be..).

First of all, when I look at the picture, nothing really stands out. 99% of the time, the photo should instantly draw you to a specific object (usually the train..). It looks to me like you've only got bits and pieces of whats going on.

I do like the dark overall look of the image, however. Fits well with the industrial scene.

Great shot though! Better than anything I could come up w ith!
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I'd probably cry after getting beat down like that...

Good luck on the editing!

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I am sorry to agree with all the naysayers, but from the first version through the B&W with the record breaking rejects, I am simply not clear what the point of the image is. It feels to me sort of like one those pictures family members bring back from trips -- "I saw a train and took a picture for you..."

I know I'm not being that helpfull, but my overall point is that I can't tell what the subject of the image is.
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I have no idea. Didn't someone (AB2?) post a list of rejections earlier this year? You could always find that and see if any more fit.
I saved it!

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