Old 12-22-2011, 04:31 AM   #1
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I need help understanding this one. These open shutters just seem to be a PEQ magnet for me.
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Old 12-22-2011, 06:48 AM   #2
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Hello! First off, I would like to say I like your idea in the photo and I think it came out decently well. I'm going to explain why to Railpictures, this is a PEQ. Streaking lights with trains isn't all that exciting. In your shot, there's just a strait line of lights. This doesn't give the viewer much to look at. Here are some examples of how streaking lights work out well and can get on this site:

Great scene with an awesome mood:

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Incredible scene with a lot of movement:

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Another nice scene:

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See how in all those examples, there's not really just a strait line of lights but rather a huge scene where the streak is incorporated. To get a streaking lights shot on here, you need to do more than just show the streaking light.

Thanks to Mr. Honan for all the great examples.
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Old 12-22-2011, 12:48 PM   #3
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Thanks to Mr. Honan for all the great examples.
Indeed. I thought I had gone through all of Mr. Honan's pictures on RP, but I somehow missed that last one. Amazing is right.
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Hello! First off, I would like to say I like your idea in the photo and I think it came out decently well. I'm going to explain why to Railpictures, this is a PEQ. Streaking lights with trains isn't all that exciting. In your shot, there's just a strait line of lights. This doesn't give the viewer much to look at.
Ok, that clarifies it a whole lot better. Thank you very much sir!
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It would have been much better had you not overexposed the lights too.

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I don't think that the Honan shots that Anthony presents are good comparables. His are distant scenes (well, three of four, the last I think of as a specialty shot) whereas the shot in question is not. Trackside streak shots are certainly accepted here, albeit not my personal cup of tea.

The shot in question presents an overexposed wall of light. Whether it would have worked had it not been blown out, hard for me to say. But someone with more interest in these types of shots should at least track down relevant exemplars for Evan to consider.
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Showing David's shots to anyone is a lot like showing video of Michael Jordan playing ball and saying, "You should be more like that." As to the shot in question, I think I would rather see the shot that could have been taken on the other side of the road, same side of the tracks. Not entirely interesting here.
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I need help understanding this one. These open shutters just seem to be a PEQ magnet for me.
I need help understand it (your picture) too. I've never seen light streaks in "chunks" like that. How does that happen? It's almost like the camera sensor chopped up the streak because it couldn't process the info fast enough. Is that just because it's overexposed or is there some other factor at play here?
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The light flash and change colors on the Holiday Train. I think that is what you are seeing.
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The engine is covered in spaced light strands of different colors. I think thats possibly where the effect comes from from the example below

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The engine is covered in spaced light strands of different colors. I think thats possibly where the effect comes from from the example below

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But wouldn't it all streak anyway? If those lights are blinking, then it would make sense to me.
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I need help understand it (your picture) too. I've never seen light streaks in "chunks" like that. How does that happen? It's almost like the camera sensor chopped up the streak because it couldn't process the info fast enough. Is that just because it's overexposed or is there some other factor at play here?
At 60 Hz they are blinking thats what your seeing.
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The lights dont blink, they are a soild color. Another photographer with me, also got the same chopping effect.
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The lights dont blink, they are a soild color. Another photographer with me, also got the same chopping effect.
But they do change colors, right?
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But they do change colors, right?
No, its basically standard christmas tree lights wraps around this engine.
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No, its basically standard christmas tree lights wraps around this engine.
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Showing David's shots to anyone is a lot like showing video of Michael Jordan playing ball and saying, "You should be more like that."
Why not show people the best and have the strive to become that?
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The lights dont blink, they are a soild color. Another photographer with me, also got the same chopping effect.
They are LEDs, which flicker like Scott mentioned although I'm not totally sure if they do it at 60 htz or if it's less. I've had an LED streak shot rejected myself, and the lights came out the same. You can actually see this effect just by moving a strand of them in the dark. I've got them around my house and front yard.
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I thought that was the CP Holiday train. Guess I should have paid closer attention.
I thought it was just a passenger train or something. I guess *I* should have paid closer attention.

And now that I know, this explanation seems to make the most sense:

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And now that I know, this explanation seems to make the most sense:
Street Lights do it to, Trying night pan shots is the first time I seen it. Now you don't need moving LEDs to test it! Yea 60 Hz as thats what we get 60 Hz AC every thing we have is set to run on it you just don't see it normal time frame.
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I went back out last night and re-shot it, but im not sure if any would be sutable for RP.
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There are a bazzillion streak shots in the database which are less appealing then the excitement presented in your shot of a rainbow in the dark.

It would appear to me that the phrase "Timing is everything" applies not only to when you shoot, but when you post as well. Dave's shots are an example of what works very well but does not preclude a variation such as yours from being accepted among the bulk of what has been deemed "RP worthy" in the past.

The "blinking" as someone pointed out earlier, which in my opinion presents just an alternate variation of the style, is likely due to the flickering of the LED's. If you've ever tried to shoot an LED announcement screen at a platform, you'd noticed it near impossible to read unless you used a slow enough shutter speed to allow the time for all the lights to flicker on long enough to expose properly.

I like your second (not third) shot as well.

Hope one gets on - I had just about tired of streak shots until I saw yours.

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