Old 03-26-2009, 08:32 PM   #1
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Well Folks,

I normally only submit about one photo every 2-3 weeks, and in doing that I try to make sure the photo I submit is a winner. This photo was rejected due to:

- Composition/Balance: The composition of this photo is poor relating to the overall balance of the image.

I have NOT cropped the image in any way.

What I would like to know is do you all think it is unbalanced? Or is my composition really that far off? Aside from a square crop, how would you correct the issue and keep the out cropping of rocks completely visible?

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Is this image a personal collection Item?

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=297420384

Thanks for your help,
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Old 03-26-2009, 08:34 PM   #2
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Is there any chance to get a clean shot of the train as it comes further down the tracks? As it stands now, it's just a little far away for my tastes...
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Is there any chance to get a clean shot of the train as it comes further down the tracks? As it stands now, it's just a little far away for my tastes...
There is a shot like that that I was planning to post later, but I need to hold off on it for now until I get a response from a publisher on whether or not they plan to use that particular image or not.

The problem with this image is that I like the train just peeking around the rocks, but it may just be a personal taste that I need to keep to my self.
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Old 03-26-2009, 08:50 PM   #4
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It's a daytime equivalent to a three points of light shot, and I like it. I would go for minor adjustments that keep the basic theme. You don't have to keep so much on the left for sure, it isn't helping you any.

Attached is one possibility, I keep the yellow color, I keep the distant ridge above the closer rock.
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Ryan, can you give us a teaser with the train all the way into the scene? That's a killer location!
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Jim, I would suggest the following:

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I would crop on the vertical and maybe do something to boost the colours which seem bland after looking at the colours in your shot that John Ryan showed.
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Ryan:

I like the shot as you posted, but you could nudge closer to "complying" with the rule of thirds.

Crop it so the train moves up as much as you can stand (i.e. take off some of the top).

I'll bet the shot you took about 30 seconds later is more pleasing to the eye.
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Janusz, thank your for your comments on how to re-crop the image, I am currently looking at the cropped image, but I still don't know if the new crop "balances" out the image. Over all it does not have a lot of effect on the location of the train in my opinion. Am I missing something?

Chris, and Jim, I will attach a smaller wider angle of the shot for you to see, this one is much different that what I sent to the publisher, but still shows the same over all angle.

John,I like the angle from the 6772 shot also, but this angle in my opinion really shows the Size of Nature compared to the train. The other shot showed the beauty of nature but the main focus was, of course, the train.

Ric, I took a little flack on the saturation of the other photo from a few people, so I'm trying to tone it down a little. As for cropping, I don't think a vertical would show exactly what I was trying to show in this shot. The fall colors in the Gorge were absolutely amazing this last year, and I really want to incorporate them in the shot.
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More train = better. Good luck with the publisher!
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Chris, and Jim, I will attach a smaller wider angle of the shot for you to see, this one is much different that what I sent to the publisher, but still shows the same over all angle.
Yeah, that's pretty awesome. POTW, IMO, if that's ever on RP.

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John,I like the angle from the 6772 shot also, but this angle in my opinion really shows the Size of Nature compared to the train. The other shot showed the beauty of nature but the main focus was, of course, the train.
That is a great explanation of the difference between the two angles.
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I have NOT cropped the image in any way.

Think what you want or need is a longer lens to crop your photo. As it's way to much dead space on your left. Get rid of 2/3 of the photo and it may fly? That tree just left of the power works. Something like this?
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This does give some of the size that the OP was after but it lacks the colour on the left and teh rule of thirds is out the window. I wonder if someone has thought about some tree removal there.
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I wonder if someone has thought about some tree removal there.
In the middle of the U.S. Forest Service's Columbia River Gorge National Scenic Area?



I'd file that in the Less Than Brilliant Ideas folder. Seriously -- that's not something to even joke about.
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In the middle of the U.S. Forest Service's Columbia River Gorge National Scenic Area?



I'd file that in the Less Than Brilliant Ideas folder. Seriously -- that's not something to even joke about.

Sorry Dave, some just don't get it!!
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