Old 06-09-2009, 04:43 PM   #1
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Shouldn't a Screener's Choice, I don't know, be in focus?

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The front of that engine, if you can get past the blown out, blurry lights, is not sharp to my eyes.
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Old 06-09-2009, 04:57 PM   #2
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Wow, tough critic?! Have you been screening some of my shots lately Joe? Might explain a couple blurry rejections.

Seriously, might not be the sharpest image in the world, but it is a very impressive shot IMHO.
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Better than another Tim Stevens wedgie.
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I'm not saying it should be the sharpest image in the world, just in focus. To me, it is not.
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The moon is sharp. Also shot at 1/100th.
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Then it'd be a great shot at Moonpictures.net.
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Then it'd be a great shot at Moonpictures.net.
I like this shot but I don't get the blur POTW myself but I know many others love it.
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Shouldn't a Screeners Choice be up to the Choice of the Screeners ?

I think its a nice shot and different
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Joe, I thought it was a very impressive photo without clicking on it. From the little thumbnail I almost immediately considered giving the image a PCA vote, but once I clicked on it, I just didn't really like it as much. I agree in that it isn't in focus and it is definitely soft. I'm quite surprised it received so many comments/favorites as well, but it did, and I suppose that's all that matters is that the screeners as well as the people on RP.net like it.

John Benner usually submits some pretty good stuff. Infact, his two previous SC photos have both been my background on the computer. He's got some real impressive stuff, infact I don't think I could actually say I dislike one of his images, excluding his recent one with the moon.

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Better than another Tim Stevens wedgie.
I like Tim's photos...they always tend to represent what real life looks like.

I like the moon shot. Something different even as a wedge shot...
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I think the shot is fine. Heavy on the left, light on the right, and soft - in an unpleasing way - keeps it from reaching my own personal top ranks. There is a good sort of soft but this isn't it; it is ok, not a bad soft, just not helpful to the shot. Nice shot overall, wish I had taken it.

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I think he meant his recent screeners choice.
I completely missed that.
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Shouldn't a Screener's Choice, I don't know, be in focus?
Maybe you should start a campaign demanding that the screener's choice be rescinded because you don't agree with it.
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Better than another Tim Stevens wedgie.
How, in any way shape or form was that a relevant or a necessary thing to say. If you don't like my shots, don't look at them.

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The moon is sharp. Also shot at 1/100th.
400 mm at F10, At F10 you're not going to have a lot in focus front to back.
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How, in any way shape or form was that a relevant or a necessary thing to say. If you don't like my shots, don't look at them.

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When I saw the moon in the thumbnail I thought - Oh Oh here we go again with another "this shot has been manipulated" thread, but opening it up I can see that it looks genuine.

Overall, the shot is OK, but its only the moon that makes it anything out of the ordinary. No one else seems to have mentioned it, but to me, the sky is very noisy, and just above and to the right of the left hand signal there appears to be 2 dust spots or other unnatural marks
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How, in any way shape or form was that a relevant or a necessary thing to say. If you don't like my shots, don't look at them.

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If you don't like discussion of shots, don't read the forums!

I'm sure any one of us can think of more than one SC we feel is undeserving; I can think of several and one in particular. It's like discussing who is the best ball player, just a normal human activity.
J, you're missing the point.

Hicks and Tim Stevens apparently don't like each other (and I don't think Hicks was just talking about TS's SC). Regardless of whether Hicks' comment was in reference Tim's SC is irrelevant to the discussion at hand; randomly calling out another photog who isn't in the discussion and has nothing to due with it is nothing more than getting in a free cheap shot.

Imagine if another thread was started about "Why are my pictures being rejected?" and and someone who doesn't like you chimes in and says, "I have no idea...they let JRMDC's shots in."

Same thing here.
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I think the out-of-focus issue may have been caused by some noise reduction although a Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III at ISO 1000 might not be bad? I don't know I've never used one. Personally, I think this is one of those shots that can get away with what is in my opinion, a small technical flaw. And, no I did not screen this one but the outcome would have been the same.
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J, you're missing the point.

Hicks and Tim Stevens apparently don't like each other (and I don't think Hicks was just talking about TS's SC). Regardless of whether Hicks' comment was in reference Tim's SC is irrelevant to the discussion at hand; randomly calling out another photog who isn't in the discussion and has nothing to due with it is nothing more than getting in a free cheap shot.
Well, I didn't know about the personal issue. Putting that aside, I took the post to mean that some SCs are better than others and some SCs don't deserve to be SCs, in the poster's particular opinion. In participating in a thread about a particular SC, I think it is completely acceptable to steer the conversation towards SCs in general or some other SCs in particular. A forum is very much like a conversation, and conversations flow, they don't stick to topics, they branch out. So the post was relevant in my view, albeit pithy, and apparently mean spirited in intent.

What is the big deal about an individual saying that one dislikes a particular photographer's work or one finds it OK but unworthy of an SC? And especially in the case of an SC; after all, one is not saying a shot is bad, it has already earned a designation of quality. The Stevens shot I presume is considered to be a nice shot by all, just as are the shots that I might think are not SC worthy. There is no "bad" here. If anything, the criticism is of the screeners, not the shooter; Stevens didn't declare himself to be worthy of a SC, it was thrust upon him, so to speak.

And why is Tim Stevens to be protected/sheltered but not Gary Knapp?

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Wouldn't bother me at all, actually. But that is a matter of personal attitude toward life more than anything else, I suspect.

Alas, I have not yet reached the point where I have an SC to be "called out" upon.
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If I put a turd on a stick, planted that stick in ballast beside a RR track and shot it with a blurred train passing by and a screener gave it a SC, why would anyone argue? It's a SCREENERS CHOICE. That means that the screener liked it alot and gave it his personal seal of approval. It's not a SCSLAIABTV (screeners choice so long as it's approved by the viewers) award.

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Dude;

You're really missing the point. If this is a photographer's forum, then why can't we start a discussion on photos in the database? It's not about whether the Screeners can or even should make a certain shot an SC, it's me, a photog, starting a thread on a discussion board.

Is it really hard to understand?
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Exactly. That was what I was trying to get across. At the time of Matt's post, I didn't have a problem with him. I rarely come into these forums, but every once in a while I come on to have a look at what is going on... to see if I can be of any help or to see if anybody can be of any help to me.

Coming on here yesterday and seeing Matt taking advantage of the fact that I probably wouldn't have seen the post was a little irritating and uncalled for.

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J, you're missing the point.

Hicks and Tim Stevens apparently don't like each other (and I don't think Hicks was just talking about TS's SC). Regardless of whether Hicks' comment was in reference Tim's SC is irrelevant to the discussion at hand; randomly calling out another photog who isn't in the discussion and has nothing to due with it is nothing more than getting in a free cheap shot.
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