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While my 24-105L does perform pretty nicely at night, I'm looking into a new piece of L glass to use just for night photography. The 18-55mm range on my original kit lens was perfect for most night time compositions and right now, in order to capture that, I have to switch between the 10-22 and the 24-105 and they produce two different kinds of night shots (star effect is slightly different even when using the same aperture) and the color is a bit different.

Does anyone have a good recommendation for a decent L glass that performs very well in lowlight or no light? I was thinking about the 16-35L or 17-40L, but I do have a lot of that range covered.

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Old 12-01-2010, 04:48 PM   #2
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Come back to the dark side (EF-S), go with the excellent but not L-designated 17-55 IS.
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Old 12-01-2010, 05:32 PM   #3
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J,

It's an USM lens.. Almost as good as L!

Will look into it.. F2.8 would be nice.

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Old 12-01-2010, 06:32 PM   #4
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17-40L is a nice lens. That was my first purchase beyond the kit lens and I've always been happy with it.

Some 17-40 night shots (wish I had more):

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I use my 35L for a lot of night photography.
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Old 12-01-2010, 07:28 PM   #6
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Im looking into the 16-35 myself. Canon has a $100 instant rebate on it until Jan 8.

The 17-55 IS also has a rebate of $70.

What exactly is wrong with having to change between two lenses? Do you not like the results of what the 10-22 and 24-105 are producing?
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Old 12-01-2010, 07:40 PM   #7
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I would think faster glass would perform better, but I am no night expert by any means. what little night photography I have done has been with the 24/2.8, 17-40L or 70-200L
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Jim, your lighthouse photo rocks.
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No L glass here, but don't discount off-brand lenses (nothing wrong with L glass if money isn't an object). With a tight family budget I had to make the choice to go Sigma for my glass, and I'm very happy with their performance (I actually sold my Canon 70-200 f/4L to get a Sigma 70-200 f/2.8 and don't regret it one iota). Right now I use a 15mm f/2.8 Fisheye, 18-50mm f/2.8 and 70-200mm f/2.8. I do own two Canon lenses - 28-135 IS and 50mm f/1.8 - neither of which gets any appreciable use. In fact, they usually stay home.

I've used the wide zoom (18-50mm f/2.8 EX DC) in all conditions - light, dark, rain, snow, hot, cold - and it works well. My only complaint is the focus motor is the older type and slow, but I see the newer version uses Sigma's HSM motor (same as Canon's USM). And at half the price of the 16-35 f/2.8...

Anyways, here's some low/no light examples with this lens:

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On top of that, a good chunk of my published work (both to publishers and prints sold) have been taken with that 18-50 Sigma.

Just wanted to throw an "L" alternate out there...

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I've gotta agree with Travis. Jim, that lighthouse picture is awesome!

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I'll agree with the rest on the Grand Haven pier. It rocks.
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Not a site for people to contribute to, but I found it amusing that there is a

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J, the lighthouse that is right smack dab in the middle of that page when you open it up, is the same one.
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Does anyone have a good recommendation for a decent L glass that performs very well in lowlight or no light?
For no light, I recommend using the body cap. Easy to focus, but metering is a bit of a pain.
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What exactly is wrong with having to change between two lenses? Do you not like the results of what the 10-22 and 24-105 are producing?
The only issue I have with it is excessive dust on the sensor. I've been lazy and haven't cleaned the sensor in my 5D in a while, so I usually have to spend a little time cloning spots when I'm processing my pics. From what I understand, though, the 5D has a greater issue with sensor dust spots than most of the other Canon cameras. I try to keep my lens swapping to a minimum, but when I do I always try to cover up the opening as well as point it downward while the lens is off the body.

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I'll agree with the rest on the Grand Haven pier. It rocks.
Thanks. I kind of gave up landscape photography when I started obsessing with photographing trains. Maybe I should go back to it.

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How about this oldie?

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Im looking into the 16-35 myself. Canon has a $100 instant rebate on it until Jan 8.

The 17-55 IS also has a rebate of $70.

What exactly is wrong with having to change between two lenses? Do you not like the results of what the 10-22 and 24-105 are producing?
Walter,

Honestly, I slightly prefer the results more with the 10-22mm. Color and quality is better on the 24-105, though. I'm hoping to get something with the results of the 10-22 without the distortion, but the quality and color of an L.

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Meh, look into the Tamron 20-40 (at least, I think that's what it was - it was a 2.8-something at any rate)
Spectacularly sharp lens even wide open, and corner to corner. It's Quite old, but a friend of mine has one and it's spectacular at the wide end.
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Meh, look into the Tamron 20-40 (at least, I think that's what it was - it was a 2.8-something at any rate)
Spectacularly sharp lens even wide open, and corner to corner. It's Quite old, but a friend of mine has one and it's spectacular at the wide end.
Tamron SP AF Aspherical Di LD IF 17-35 2.8-4 Full frame. I have one and is a nice lens. If one can find it.
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Tamron SP AF Aspherical Di LD IF 17-35 2.8-4 Full frame. I have one and is a nice lens. If one can find it.
Not the one I'm thinking of, but if it's nice, that works too.
I found the Nikon version on keh, but I assure you, the Canon is great.
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It's not constant aperture or as wide as you may want, but I have heard great things of the older Canon 28-80L 2.8-4.0. It is 2.8 from 28-65 and 4.0 from 65-80. Supposedly sharper than either the 28-70L or 24-70L. And around ~$550. There are some pretty good threads regarding it on fredmiranda forums and at least 1 for sale right now if I dont end up buying it...
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It's not constant aperture or as wide as you may want, but I have heard great things of the older Canon 28-80L 2.8-4.0. It is 2.8 from 28-65 and 4.0 from 65-80. Supposedly sharper than either the 28-70L or 24-70L. And around ~$550. There are some pretty good threads regarding it on fredmiranda forums and at least 1 for sale right now if I dont end up buying it...
I suppose I technically can't say for sure having never used the 28-80L, but my 24-70 is razor sharp even at f/2.8. I'm sure the 28-80L is a good buy for the money, but I have yet to try any glass other than a few Canon L primes that can touch what my 24-70 can do (even the 24-105 isn't quite on par, and I've used 3 different 24-105s to test with). Of course, it's probably not as big a deal if you're using a cropped sensor body; for a full frame body, however...
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I was thinking about the 16-35L or 17-40L, but I do have a lot of that range covered.
The biggest difference between these two lenses other than the price is chromatic distortion.

The 17-40 will give more of a fish eye look while the 16-35 has extra elements and is designed to avoid the distortion - hence the extra cost.

As I stated before, I am not a big fish eye fan so the extra cost to avoid that type of look was what was important for me in addition to needing a lens that was shorter than the 24-105.

I did not want a set of primes and I wanted the versatility of the zoom.

I like the 16-35 and I it use for low light and wide angles quite often.

I also find that it is the lens I use most often at birthday parties, civic events and indoors where normal people would use a point and shoot.

Some examples of images with the 16-35L:

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Sun Rise on Mt. Baldy


The 17-40 looks like this:

Train 589 under the Moon2010, Ken Szok All rights reserved

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Three in the Sadow of the Sunrise2010, Ken Szok All rights reserved

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While the 16-35 has a little flatter look to the image:

Sittin on a Clear

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