Old 09-18-2007, 08:40 PM   #1
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Default Reject, bad cropping... suggestions

Could use some input on cropping this one. I cropped to get as much sky in as I could (I found it interesting), but the man didn't.

Now, would it also get dinged on the "not enough nose light" reject... like this one.
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Old 09-18-2007, 08:55 PM   #2
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That sky in #1 is nice. You loco is pretty centered though. You might try to crop the left and bottom some to move the loco to the left more. Other than that, I think it's worthy.

The engineer's half of the hood and plow area are kinda dark and lack detail. Especially the cupler/plow area.
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Old 09-18-2007, 08:56 PM   #3
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Mike,

For 1) Lots of dead space to the left was probably mor the killer than the sky.

For 2) They are not liking the half-lit noses as of late even though you can see the pilot has direct sun.
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Old 09-18-2007, 09:04 PM   #4
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Now, would it also get dinged on the "not enough nose light" reject... like this one.
Most likely. Doesn't seem to be much leeway on nose light these days.

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Old 09-18-2007, 09:08 PM   #5
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I'll try a re-do tonight getting some of that deadspace outta there... thanks.

I'll never understand the nose lighting thing. Not every shot without total nose light is bad, and not every shot with perfect nose light is good. I've a number of 'not perfect nose light shots' in the DB... maybe they're cracking down
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Old 09-18-2007, 09:15 PM   #6
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And yet, two recent 'no nose light' shots I got in:

Not so bad

Much less light

Not so recent, but lots of shadow

And how did this get in?

My guess is it's the preference of the screener...
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Old 09-18-2007, 09:19 PM   #7
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I've never had much luck taking "glint" shots, but when well executed they seem to get a pass on the nose light requirement. Mine all come out either over- or underexposed. So I've kinda given up.
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Old 09-18-2007, 09:31 PM   #8
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Crusader, I think the trick is to not try to get a glint shot. The one's I have in the DB are kinda grab shots (or more correctly, a sequence of shots as the train approaches, passes and goes away) where I'm not actually trying to get a glint shot. Rather, I tend to shoot anything that moves and often the "afterthought" shot is the one that catches my eye later at home. I got a pretty cool one of a GO Train this past weekend while waiting for a freight to show up.

When I try for an artistic shot, it usually ends up in the personal collection...

Guess you could call it "pulling a Homer"
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Old 09-18-2007, 09:50 PM   #9
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It's all about a balance. If the composition and scene is good, a little bit less of nose light is acceptable. If the composition/scene is uninteresting and generic then 100% nose light is needed.
Almost no rule in photography is absolute, they all can be bent if the situation warrants it.
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My guess is it's the preference of the screener...
Must be the case. I had this one accepted, and I feel the nose of the leader is lit just about the same as the rejected one from today, the link to which is posted above.

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Old 09-19-2007, 10:05 PM   #11
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I resubmitted the shot using the advice here and it was accepted. Got rid of dead space on either side and top, but kept as much sky as I could.

Now I have the coming and going views of this train. Thanks for the advice guys
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The accepted versions looks much much better, Mike!
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I thought I would save starting another thread on a similar topic ...

This photo was first rejected for bad cropping so I tightened the crop a little remove some dead space from the bottom of the frame and it has been rejected again. I'm lost now ...
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This photo was first rejected for bad cropping so I tightened the crop a little remove some dead space from the bottom of the frame and it has been rejected again. I'm lost now ...
Michael,

You don't specifically state the reason for the second reject, so I can only guess that it was again for bad cropping.

If so, you might go for something even tighter like the example I am posting here. BTW, I also leveled the shot as well.
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I thought I would save starting another thread on a similar topic ...

This photo was first rejected for bad cropping so I tightened the crop a little remove some dead space from the bottom of the frame and it has been rejected again. I'm lost now ...
My guess would be to crop off some of the right so the train appears to curve across the photo instead of to close to the center. You'll probably have to crop the top and bottom too so it's not a square crop.

***Edit*** Rich beat me to it, but that's what I meant.
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Rich, bad cropping was the reason for the second rejection as well. I like the way you have cropped the image but the levelling isn't quite right. The train is meant to be leaning into the curve because the track has quite a large cant on that particular curve.

EMTRailfan, I think you're on the money as well ... let me have a go!
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I do not have much experience taking overhead shots because most of the track anywhere near my house is electrified and those wires ruin a good shot.
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The train is meant to be leaning into the curve because the track has quite a large cant on that particular curve.
Michael,

I debated the leveling because I had a hunch that the train might in fact be leaning in to the curve. Anyway, you get the idea with the crop.
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I am currently playing the waiting game ... thanks for your help guys!
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Sweet, I've actually learned something!

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Congrats! It is a very nice photo in my opinion.
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Congrats! It is a very nice photo in my opinion.
Ditto (again)
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I'll never understand the nose lighting thing. Not every shot without total nose light is bad.....
Agreed. But they're not what the screeners are letting in right now. I don't mind the lighting on your shots, but then neither one of us are screeners here.


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Congrats! It is a very nice photo in my opinion.
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Old 09-24-2007, 02:43 PM   #25
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I'd like to show the trains more in their surroundings but keep getting bad cropping. What do you think of this one?

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