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This was rejected? 1 4.00%
Nice, but not RP quality. 10 40.00%
The hot air balloons and red sky are nice but don't make the shot. 7 28.00%
Seriously, don't waste time on this shot. 7 28.00%
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Old 08-06-2009, 11:09 AM   #1
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Question Looking for input on a cloudy sunrise

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Rejected for Poor Lighting: Cloudy.


I like the shot but would like some input on whether it resonates with anyone else. Is this a case of needing to do a little more editing to give it enough "pop" to warrant an exception to the cloudy issue? Or should I just forget about it?

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Old 08-06-2009, 11:33 AM   #2
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The problem is the train is not in the sun. Without sun on the train I don't think there is anything you can do with this shot. Great idea however.
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Old 08-06-2009, 01:46 PM   #3
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What are "debris clouds?"
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What are "debris clouds?"
The clouds that are left after thunderstorms have dissipated.
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The clouds that are left after thunderstorms have dissipated.
Hmm...the only thing a search turns up are references to satellites colliding and tornados. Were either in the area while this photo was taken?
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Hmm...the only thing a search turns up are references to satellites colliding and tornados. Were either in the area while this photo was taken?
Hot air balloons colliding?
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Old 08-06-2009, 04:19 PM   #7
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If you sharpen that up a bit - although it may not be for RP, that would still leave you with a nice shot for your personal collection. That's just my opinion.
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Old 08-06-2009, 05:14 PM   #8
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The shot is indeed a bit soft. The ballons are not big enough in the scene to merit special consideration. There's no sun on the train and the train itself is dirty, which is making the shot look even more dull. It's not a bad shot and there may be some stuff you can do to it to make it a better photograph without hoping it gets past RP's velvet rope.
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With the right guy doing post processing, you could end up with a PCA for that shot, I think. It's a long way from getting accepted as it is now though, for the reasons the other posters have mentioned.
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With the right guy doing post processing, you could end up with a PCA for that shot, I think. It's a long way from getting accepted as it is now though, for the reasons the other posters have mentioned.
I agree with Nick, some contrast and color adjustments, as well as some sharpening, would make that shot a real winner.

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I added some contrast, worked with the color, and added some more saturation to bring out the colors of the clouds a little more.
I'm on a laptop, and though I put my screen at a reasonable angle, there is a chance that this shot will not look right on another screen.
There may be a tad bit too much contrast/ saturation FYI.
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With the right guy doing post processing, you could end up with a PCA for that shot, I think. It's a long way from getting accepted as it is now though, for the reasons the other posters have mentioned.
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I agree with Nick, some contrast and color adjustments, as well as some sharpening, would make that shot a real winner.
I don't see it, guys, please explain. Yes, the shot can be improved, but maybe not even to RP standards. How does one get to "winner" or "PCA"?

BTW, Charles, the "NPCU" and Amtrak 90250 info must be from another shot.
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I don't see it, guys, please explain. Yes, the shot can be improved, but maybe not even to RP standards. How does one get to "winner" or "PCA"?

BTW, Charles, the "NPCU" and Amtrak 90250 info must be from another shot.
If processed well, you may be able to get the sky and balloons (wish they were closer) to pop some and bring the train out a bit. Steve Carter has a sorta similiar shot (sorta).
edit: scratch the Steve Carter shot, not very similiar at all.

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If processed well, you may be able to get the sky and balloons (wish they were closer) to pop some and bring the train out a bit. Steve Carter has a sorta similiar shot (sorta).
Took a quick look, didn't see one. Here's one I like.
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This one is neat!
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Oh, maybe you mean this one?
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Took a quick look, didn't see one. Here's one I like.
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This one is neat!
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Oh, maybe you mean this one?
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I was thinking of the last untill I looked it up and changed my mind.
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I don't see it, guys, please explain. Yes, the shot can be improved, but maybe not even to RP standards. How does one get to "winner" or "PCA"?
The content in the photo is solid, it just needs a lot of work to make it presentable. See the old "Post Processing, Before and After" thread.

I'd imagine someone like Travis would really be able to make that shot look slick, he's got some work that I probably would have deleted if I saw it on the review on the camera screen, but ends up looking spectacular because of his PS Voodoo skills - same situation here.
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The content in the photo is solid, it just needs a lot of work to make it presentable. See the old "Post Processing, Before and After" thread.
Ok, we just disagree, I guess. There is a basic whole-train shot, and it can certainly be made presentable, albeit by altering it way beyond reality in my view, but you said "PCA" and I don't see that. That last is the only reason I bothered to post.
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I see these really more colorful than real skies and I wonder how they do it. I've been a member of RP a year now and didn't know squat when I joined. I've learned to use photo shop to some extent thanks to the helpful experienced people on here.

I'd like to see how the experts do it cause I still don't get it right. Here is my lame attempt at it and I'd like some feedback if some experienced person wouldn't mind sharing some of his or her talents.

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I'd imagine someone like Travis would really be able to make that shot look slick, he's got some work that I probably would have deleted if I saw it on the review on the camera screen, but ends up looking spectacular because of his PS Voodoo skills - same situation here.
It's called "saturation." Give it a try.
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Here's my go at it. I increased red, decreased gamma, a slight decrease in contrast, and some healthy saturation.

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You guys are a great bunch! I am very surprised to see how many of you put efforts into editing my photo. The point has been well-made that the right touch of post-processing can make that sky more like what I saw that morning.

It is still a question whether it will get past a Cloudy nay-sayer but thank you, everyone, for the encouragement to try again and push my Photoshop experience beyond my comfort zone.

BTW, the poll results do seem to indicate this shot is good... it just needs more adjustments.

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This one is neat!
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That one appears on a recent Amtrak timetable. The crop is vertical to remove the BNSF freight loco on the back.

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BTW, Charles, the "NPCU" and Amtrak 90250 info must be from another shot.
No, the train is going away from me... and the 90250 NPCU is leading.

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No, the train is going away from me... and the 90250 NPCU is leading.
My bad, sorry, I didn't know Amtrak had "cabbage" cars painted for Cascades service. I have seen the 9022x versions in Chicago and I didn't know about the 9025x ones.
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The first thing the "right photo processor" needs to do is to sharpen the train still. But I still think this is a non-RP shot anyway you cut it. Or process it.
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