Old 11-24-2013, 03:27 AM   #1
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I cropped this pic several times and still gets rejected. Any thoughts?

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Old 11-24-2013, 04:50 AM   #2
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Too much sky.

Do you have a frame with the field more than half way up? I'm not sure how you would crop this frame and still stay within the ratio.
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Old 11-24-2013, 05:09 AM   #3
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Yes I have a photo with the field.
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Old 11-24-2013, 01:18 PM   #4
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I agree, too much sky.
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Old 11-24-2013, 04:13 PM   #5
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Still rejected! Any suggestions?

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Old 11-24-2013, 04:38 PM   #6
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Now you have it dead center. I had a very similar image I took years ago that I had a horrible time getting on finally I just waited a year and uploaded it again with "my" preferred crop and it was accepted on the first shot. Sky or field is tough on one like that. I like the dead center one honestly.
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Old 11-24-2013, 05:02 PM   #7
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Try a 3 X 5 crop maybe?

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I will try that wds.



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Old 11-24-2013, 07:14 PM   #9
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Old 11-24-2013, 08:05 PM   #10
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Perseverance pays off! (up until the point it starts pissing off screeners, that is )

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Old 11-24-2013, 11:54 PM   #11
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All that open space in the background and you picked a frame with a tree growing out of the cab? You could have used it for a framing element, but instead it's more like a strange antenna array.
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All that open space in the background and you picked a frame with a tree growing out of the cab? You could have used it for a framing element, but instead it's more like a strange antenna array.
C'mon Jim, you have to have a really underdeveloped sense of spatial awareness to perceive that as "growing out of the cab". Almost everything we see in life has something unrelated in the background which we don't perceive as being part of the object we're viewing. Even in 2-dimension mode, after the age of three we should be able to make that distinction instinctively. Would it have worked better as a framing element? Sure, but is it really worth nitpicking over? What about that tree 20 or so cars back? Besides, it's 0.1 to the millionth degree unlevel!
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Thanks guys. Jim it is called nature!
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Thanks guys. Jim it is called nature!
I am with Jim. "Growing out of the cab" is rhetoric but the result is what matters, and this is an avoidable flaw. A blemish, an irritant; not a catastrophe, but does take away from the shot a bit.

Of course, we have all missed noticing such things in the field. Vexing when it happens!
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Thanks guys. Jim it is called nature!
One tree in the scene, and you placed the locomotive in the worst possible spot. It's especially bothersome in a conventional style composition.

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I am with Jim. "Growing out of the cab" is rhetoric but the result is what matters, and this is an avoidable flaw. A blemish, an irritant; not a catastrophe, but does take away from the shot a bit.

Of course, we have all missed noticing such things in the field. Vexing when it happens!
I didn't even notice it until it was pointed out. Background, not a part of the scene my mind tunes into as I do have a well developed sense of spatial awareness. Maybe I'm just old and grumpy, but I find these "growing out of" and "wedgie" nitpicks far more irritating and overwhelmingly pretentious - but so "in style" here - than the so-called transgressions themselves. Going back to bed now for more (sorely needed) beauty sleep. Maybe I'll wake up later with a different attitude.
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Maybe I'm just old and grumpy, but I find these "growing out of" and "wedgie" nitpicks far more irritating and overwhelmingly pretentious - but so "in style" here - than the so-called transgressions themselves.
My observation has more to do with subject positioning than railroad photography specifically. Put a car, truck, horse or whatever in the same exact spot and it will still be a "flaw," as J put it.

You didn't notice it? If a bald guy had a pony tail sticking straight up out of his noggin would you notice that?
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You didn't notice it? If a bald guy had a pony tail sticking straight up out of his noggin would you notice that?
Of course I would, because it's not a naturally occurring part of the environment. Unless you're in California...
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Of course I would, because it's not a naturally occurring part of the environment. Unless you're in California...
Nope, not natural in California either - I have found that gravity applies as here equally here, as in other places on the planet.

You know Jim, Daniel Valentine has some serious hang ups with things that "grow" out of other things too.

In fact, I submitted this particular frame out of about 5 or 6 specifically for his viewing pleasure.

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Nope, not natural in California either - I have found that gravity applies as here equally here, as in other places on the planet.
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Dippity-Doo trumps gravity when it comes to California hair-doos.
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I just happen to like trees "growing out of" shots!

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