Old 04-27-2008, 02:36 AM   #1
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Is it worth trying to USM this shot a bit more to see if it can get in? There's only a small area where it might be sharp... is it enough that it'll be possible to get to an acceptable level? Is the shot interesting enough to try submitting again?
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Old 04-27-2008, 03:27 AM   #2
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As Maxwell Smart might have said...
"Missed by that much".

Close but no cigar.

Nice attempt but the sweetest spot isn't quite where it needs to be.

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Old 04-27-2008, 03:31 AM   #3
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I don't think the sharpening is the problem, I think it's just a bit too blurry. As Mitch said, you were very close. Definitely try shooting it again though, practice makes perfect.

BTW, What shutter speed did you use for this one?
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Old 04-27-2008, 03:33 AM   #4
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As Maxwell Smart might have said...
"Missed by that much".

Close but no cigar.

Nice attempt but the sweetest spot isn't quite where it needs to be.

/Mitch
Alright... thanks.

My goal for this year is to get a nice pan shot accepted in the DB. I've tried many, many times but keep missing it. If I setup for a pan when I see some headlights on the horizon it must send a signal to the crew, telling them to slam on the brakes...

At least I can get some real work done now... I'm sure my employer would appreciate that.
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Old 04-27-2008, 03:34 AM   #5
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I don't think the sharpening is the problem, I think it's just a bit too blurry. As Mitch said, you were very close. Definitely try shooting it again though, practice makes perfect.

BTW, What shutter speed did you use for this one?
1/50th of a second.

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1/50 sounds about right. You might want to try 1/60, thats how I got my first one in yesterday:

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1/60 didn't give as much blur as I would have liked, but it helped cut down on any vertical motion problems I was having.

Good luck, you don't seem too far from getting it!
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Old 04-27-2008, 03:45 AM   #7
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Here is a good post about pan shots I started a while back...

http://forums.railpictures.net/showthread.php?t=5935

I started with a similarly blurred shot and ended up with this one...

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Good luck and hopefully you can get something good too...

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Old 04-27-2008, 11:39 AM   #8
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You may also have a problem where you are so close to the train that you cannot get a large area to be relatively sharp. Often (usually? always?) a pan isolates the subject away from the background, so the subject is fairly or totally sharp and the rest of the scene blurred.

Here I suspect that you are so close to the train that you can't get the entire truck in focus. The problem is made bigger because you are shooting at an angle rather than perpendicular to the train, so there is a difference between the front and rear of the truck.

The question is whether a shot from a close vantage point will create a picture with enough in focus for RP. I don't know, maybe someone else can link to some examples. I think the style of shooting is fun although I have yet to achieve any success at it - attached is a recent effort that isn't what I am looking for, although I think the color mix is fun.

Another approach is to limit the composition so that there are not big areas around the area of focus. This one worked in that regard, although otherwise it's nothing special:

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Old 04-27-2008, 04:45 PM   #9
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Mitch Goldman (the master panner) posted some advice a few weeks back. He uses a medium tele, which reduces the angularity during the pan and keeps the shot sharp across the frame. If you are in close, as you swing through an arc during the pan, different parts of the subject are moving at different speeds relative to the sensor plane, so generally only the center will be sharp. Mitch works at outrageously slow shutter speeds (as low as 1/5 second) so he swings through a larger arc than if you are shooting at 1/50. 1/50 doesn't work with slow speed action though, but it should be fine for mainline shots.

Take a look at the attached sketch. Note that although the camera holds steady on the same central point, the left and right edges of the subject move relative to the frame, causing blur. A smaller arc, a sharper shot.

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