Old 08-12-2014, 06:38 PM   #1
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Any thoughts on this one. Unfortunately im lying in a hospital bed and cant fix it at the current moment. If anything to me it looks maybe leaning to the right then left.
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Old 08-12-2014, 07:05 PM   #2
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That's an easy one -

A) Just do as they say - at least they are giving you a clue.

B) Find a vertical in the center of the image and line it up 90 degrees. In this case, a
line on the bridge or maybe easier, a vertical on the cab window of the second
engine.

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Old 08-12-2014, 08:35 PM   #3
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Well, here's that second unit. What's leaning left?
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The appearance of leaning left comes from this shot being somewhat wide angle and there being a bunch of verticals near the left edge and none near the right edge, so the eye is fooled. But this comes to what IMHO is a bigger problem - the lead is much too close to the left edge for this composition, the train has gone too far to the left.. Not only is the wide angle distortion exaggerated, but it just seems out of balance. Do you have an earlier frame?
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Holding a straight line up in front of the image (edge of another window), it appears to be leaning left by just a hair. There are a couple of verticals on the bridge itself, which is what I used since it doesn't have the tendency to rock/lean even slightly.
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Holding a straight line up in front of the image (edge of another window), it appears to be leaning left by just a hair. There are a couple of verticals on the bridge itself, which is what I used since it doesn't have the tendency to rock/lean even slightly.
Tom Silva and Norm Abram couldn't make that "1" more plumb.
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Old 08-13-2014, 12:18 AM   #7
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The appearance of leaning left comes from this shot being somewhat wide angle and there being a bunch of verticals near the left edge and none near the right edge, so the eye is fooled.
There's something a little off - J might be onto something.

Looking in Photoshop - down to the pixel level, it IS in fact, level.

I'd have accepted it as is, but if you want it to "look" level - right now it looks off by mere atoms - then one fix that seems to work would be to skew (drag) the top left up or the bottom right down. It's as if the bridge looks out of perspective?

This is the "hard work" that miningcamper1 was talking about when it comes to uploading an image to RP that looks good enough as was.

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Even with what Mitch and J said, to the naked eye, the bridge looks like it's leaning to me. Time to decide either to appeal on the basis of what the gents above me said or "RP level" it.
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Even with what Mitch and J said, to the naked eye, the bridge looks like it's leaning to me. Time to decide either to appeal on the basis of what the gents above me said or "RP level" it.
Good thing this isn't Architecture.net and someone's trying to get the Leaning Tower of Pisa accepted.

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Good thing this isn't Architecture.net and someone's trying to get the Leaning Tower of Pisa accepted.

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Good thing this isn't Architecture.net and someone's trying to get the Leaning Tower of Pisa accepted.

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Tough one, since the architect tried (in vain) to compensate for the lean!
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Certainly appears to be leaning left at first appearance.
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Needs a 1 degree clockwise adjustment if you go by the 3 pour joints that are most visible. Or you can argue it's level, if you feel that pour joints aren't true verticals.. (Or if you're viewing using a giant monitor, as those seem to be 'off' for objective critiquing)

I would also accept a .5 degree clockwise adjustment, if you do some distortion correction on the left end of the bridge.

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Needs a 1 degree clockwise adjustment if you go by the 3 pour joints that are most visible. Or you can argue it's level, if you feel that pour joints aren't true verticals.. (Or if you're viewing using a giant monitor, as those seem to be 'off' for objective critiquing)

I would also accept a .5 degree clockwise adjustment, if you do some distortion correction on the left end of the bridge.

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Norm checked 2 more center verticals and assumes the doubters fell in the creek and are all wet.
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Now you know that was a half ass job - this is RP, after all...



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Some of us don't have photo editors (yet) that can do that!
When I decide which version to get?
Well, there's shareware, light, standard and then the RP version. If you have the bucks, I'd go with the RP version of the software of your choice.

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Haha thanks for the tips and the laughs. Once I recover and feel like dealing with it I'll try a lil bit of CW rotation. All I know is when I took the shot the level on my tripod was straight.
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Norm checked 2 more center verticals and assumes the doubters fell in the creek and are all wet.
Norm would know better than to attempt to validate verticals that are only 14 pixels in height on a web sized image.

Even at that, there is a touch of color smear in your zoomed in evidence to suggest it isn't level.

But what do I know?

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Norm would know better than to attempt to validate verticals that are only 14 pixels in height on a web sized image.

Even at that, there is a touch of color smear in your zoomed in evidence to suggest it isn't level.

But what do I know?

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Yay! It's accepted!

But guess what? Accepted version is slightly different from rejected version, but is not rotated 1 degree CW. Don't believe me? Set up "rejected", "accepted" and "rejected" actually rotated 1 degree CW, then flip through them.

All of this validates Mitch's comment elsewhere about "nitpicking minutia".
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He said he rotated it one degree. I didn't check the accepted version because I didn't care. It needed to be rotated one degree (or .5 with distortion correction) regardless of what RP says or does.

That's all I know Norm.

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Actually I redid it several times and uploaded the distortion fixed one by accident. Saved the file over the rotation one and didnt catch it till I looked at the accepted shot later. Either way both had a .5 degree of rotation ha
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