Old 06-29-2010, 07:46 AM   #1
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http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=829549&key=0

I know this isn't Horsepictures.net, but I thought it might be something unique since Strasburg has been photographed hundreds of times over. Is this worth appealing?
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Old 06-29-2010, 01:20 PM   #2
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I'm not real fond of how you cut the horse's head and neck from the rest of it's body, but I do kind of like the photo over-all. Maybe do a bust, or at least behind the front shoulder crop if you have it. It appears to me that there is too much out of focus, creating a sort of balance issue on the left. What about cropping off the right most flag and adding more of the horse as above if you have it?
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Old 06-29-2010, 01:23 PM   #3
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Interesting attempt. I'm not a fan of the flags. The image seems to mix disparate elements. Flags and train, OK, horse and train, OK, flags and horse and train, don't work for me. I agree with Kevin about the cut off, maybe a version with the front legs included. Also, maybe DoF a little less shallow, so the train is blurred but not a blob.

just some thoughts ...
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4 legs good, 2 legs bad...
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Not enough horse. Cutting off Mr. Ed where you did seems haphazzard. We at least need to see tso legs, IMO. Also, I'd try one flag, not two, and the train may have needed to be closer to the first flag. The scene held (holds, if you have more image to play with) lots of promise. The main gripe to me and I bet the screener is the head of a horse sans any other part of it's body.
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Funny, after a recent poor lighting rejection I was thinking of sending the screeners a severed horse head myself. Bada-bing.
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Funny, after a recent poor lighting rejection I was thinking of sending the screeners a severed horse head myself. Bada-bing.
If that was a joke, aren't jokes supposed to be funny? And why are you blaming the screeners for a poor lighting rejection? You're the one who submitted the shot!
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Old 06-29-2010, 04:35 PM   #8
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You ever see The Godfather, Joe?

Andre

PS Maybe if I put one of these it would have gone over better:
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I do have other takes of that scene, so I'll work on it a bit.

Now, I have another shot where I tried to go semi-artsy:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=161849429

...but it got PEQ'd as well. Is it the black-and-white that's distracting, or the way it's framed?
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I do have other takes of that scene, so I'll work on it a bit.

Now, I have another shot where I tried to go semi-artsy:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=161849429

...but it got PEQ'd as well. Is it the black-and-white that's distracting, or the way it's framed?
It has as much potential as a few Amtrak photos that have been added lately (I like those, so I am not knocking them). May I ask why you went with B/W though? It is too bad that the one crew member has the plastic drink bottle (see my one EBT pic from over the tender. Right there it is, A 5G BUCKET!!! Blah!!!). Little things like this just kinda squeeze the feel out of a "period shot". If you intend to stay with B/W, this at least needs contrast improvements. Do you have any more in the original to maybe pull back some?
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Now, I have another shot where I tried to go semi-artsy:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=161849429

...but it got PEQ'd as well. Is it the black-and-white that's distracting, or the way it's framed?
My take is that it's not really black and white as much as it is grey. I'd redo the B&W conversion to get a better contrast. I'd also level the shot. I'm not too sure about the cropping either. Since it got PEQ, none of this is certain to get the shot in the database, but you might have a more pleasing photograph.

And Andre, I didn't catch the inflection.

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Getting back to work on the "artsy" shots.

The horse was rejected again:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=831081&key=0

I'm guessing for not enough contrast and too much shadow highlight, right?

The engineer was also rejected:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=831082&key=0

But I'm not sure what looks overprocessed about this one.
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4 legs good, 2 legs bad...
Unless the two legs include a bikini...
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Getting back to work on the "artsy" shots.

The horse was rejected again:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=831081&key=0

I'm guessing for not enough contrast and too much shadow highlight, right?

The engineer was also rejected:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=831082&key=0

But I'm not sure what looks overprocessed about this one.

The over processed may be the screener's way of saying the first tries were enough. It is hard to say, they don't look over processed to me, but I don't usually see things like that, noise, and compression unless it is really bad. I like them both. For the horse photo, either crop the flag the rest of the way out, or include it all.
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Unless the two legs include a bikini...
6 legs in a train station with a strip tease is good too.
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Hi Nick,

My thoughts....

In the case of the shot of the horse with 89 in the background, I think the shot would have been more appealing if you had backed off further and telesmashed it with the aperture at f8 or above. As JRMDC indicated, the train is just a little too out of focus. The shot needs more DOF. Shooting from futher back might also have put you in a position where it would be easier to frame the entire animal and the train.

Regarding the shot of the cab crew, I don't think the color version looks overprocessed either. I second the observation on the B&W version that the shot doesn't have enough contrast. The image itself has two issues that I can see. First, the positions of the crew are too centered...at least IMO. Second, it is difficult to imagine what either of them is doing. They aren't chatting with one another, obviously looking for signals from other crewmembers or just daydreaming I think that when you shoot cab crew, the image has to make it more obvious what the crew might be doing. Do you have any other frames where the crewmember actions look more purposeful? I'm just guessing that this may be the cause of the PEQ.

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I see halos around the edges of the horse and at the back of the railroaders shot where the edge of the loco touches the sky. The overprocessed reject is dead on for both of these.

Now the cropping in the horse shot is all out of whack now. Not only did you crop the flag oddly, but you cropped out part of one leg of the horse. My advice before was to leave both legs in and leave one flag in.
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