Old 04-24-2012, 03:21 AM   #1
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I personally liked it (still do actually). But maybe I'm crazy.
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Old 04-24-2012, 03:54 AM   #2
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I like it a lot. I love side lighting. Great feel to it. Can you selectively open the shadows on the nose? That might help.

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Old 04-24-2012, 03:58 AM   #3
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With no light on the nose, and assuming your going for the glint shot, I'm thinking more saturation and a little contrast. Kinda like the ones below, get the front of the unit darker so the lights stand out..just my 2 cents
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Old 04-24-2012, 04:04 AM   #4
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Something like this, maybe, It brings out the glow of the sun off the rocks
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What he said. needs the warm glow of the sun.
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I agree...bump up the saturation a notch or two and they should accept it. However, I like the "as is" version better.
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Bumped it up and got rejected again. Probably not enough? Don't want to overdo it though. Want it to still look real. Think anymore would look fake.

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I think adding a reflection of the Amtrak train in the waves was a little overboard myself, Charles.



Seriously, my first thought was to B&W, but that might be a little too pat. A color version needs more pop than the original had, but the "warm glow" of the sun version doesn't look riight either in some way. You may be on the right track -- at least a little closer -- with the second rejection.
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I have no suggestions for this shot. For next time, I'm not a fan of the rocks, they are too prominent. I realize you are probably standing on one to get the elevation you need to see over that low fence. Also, that bright area on the left, my eye wants to know what is going on over there. So I would minimize that. Actually, you could do that this time, crop on left, and bottom, get rid of the nearest set of rocks. That would also make the structure bigger, which I suspect would be a good thing. At any rate, that foreground is doing you no favors.

I suspect my ideal view would involve a ladder, out in the beach maybe 20 yards to the left, with a wedge view of train and structure. Of course, sand is such a good support for a ladder.
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I think adding a reflection of the Amtrak train in the waves was a little overboard myself, Charles.
that one is going to be milked for a long, long, long time
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that one is going to be milked for a long, long, long time
Yeah, it is. It hasn't been too long since I gave up on the "storing your camera sideways" references.

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Old 04-24-2012, 02:38 PM   #12
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Nice shot Charles - I like it!

That's a tough one - one of those way nicer then 70% of what got in but still with issues needing to be dealt with - perhaps. On appeal, I think I would let it in - one of those too much going for it then against it type shots.

At issue, I would think, is the nose blending into the scenery to the right. I don't see any easy fixes considering the way /place of capture but this rendition might be a step in the right direction?

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Starting with Mitch's, here is one crop. Can't say I love it, but it does bring out, in my own mind at least , one problem with the original, the middle is a bit of an empty hole. So this is more for consideration in "seeing" the shot rather than a proposal for what to submit.

Actually, on further review, it isn't so bad, I'd say at least equal in quality to the original crop. I'd prefer less sky, but there is a bolder just below the bottom; you can mess around and see if you can make it work, if you happen to like this sort of version.

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I like the idea behind this shot, but I think that the lack of color in the sky, the sand and the train just makes it a tough sell with the lighting you have. It is probably worth messing with contrast and saturation to see if you can generate a golden glow that makes it more appealing. I certainly can understand your concern about whether or not it would look real. But then, a lot of the sunrise and sunset shots I see here are wayyyyy beyond real-looking and they still get on.

Now, if you had a colorful NS Heritage Locomotive in this shot it'd be a shoe-in. You might even get a hot-link from the site that would make it a guaranteed To24!
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I like Janusz's crop myself. I was also under the opinion that the boulders were too prominent. J's crop helps direct more attention to the train and the structure.

At least Amtrak is pretty regular. I know you said it was behind schedule, but come on, aren't they always?
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I think it looks pretty cool as a black and white.

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Old 04-24-2012, 09:01 PM   #17
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At least Amtrak is pretty regular. I know you said it was behind schedule, but come on, aren't they always?
Well, at some point this year even when it's actually on schedule, there should be a good sunset shot again. He just needs to wait for it.
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Nice, Chris! And with the BW, maybe that foreground boulder isn't so dramatic so maybe the frame can be shifted lower.
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J's crop - too tight. I feel like I missed part of a movie scene having just looked up at the wrong time. The lead in works well with Charles's crop.

Chirs - wow, that's really Ba-lack!

Ie; You guys are nuts!, I just didn't want to say it.

Charles - all you have to do is go back tomorrow with a strategically placed fill flash covered with a diffuser triggered by a Pocket Wizard. I'd love to see it get in - have you considered selectively bringing back the details in just the nose to separate it form the background?

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J's crop - too tight. I feel like I missed part of a movie scene having just looked up at the wrong time. The lead in works well with Charles's crop.

Chirs - wow, that's really Ba-lack!

Ie; You guys are nuts!, I just didn't want to say it.

Charles - all you have to do is go back tomorrow with a strategically placed fill flash covered with a diffuser triggered by a Pocket Wizard. I'd love to see it get in - have you considered selectively bringing back the details in just the nose to separate it form the background?

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tight: agree - I would try 5:3. I was just throwing ideas out there. The big bright area on the left bugs me.
ba-lack: on second look, agree
nuts: agree
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I like where your going with this location, Charles. This is a nice photo!

Anyway you might be able to get some elevation from the beach ( I.E. a ladder ) and maybe use those rocks, the house and the background to your advantage?

Another idea that popped in my mind is if you have a lens such as a 10-22, maybe go a little to the left (from where your standing and took this photo) and back a bit?

If neither of those are possible, try to find an overlook to this area, and use the sunset to paint the photo, and use the scenery around you to frame the train.

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Thanks for all the thoughts, gents... I will give it another try soon (probably not tonight though).

One thing... the ladder idea won't work for two reasons. One is the beach actually goes downhill there (it's not obvious in the photo). The second is that this is up by my mom's house, almost two hours from mine. I honestly have no idea how I would get a ladder up there.
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Thanks for all the thoughts, gents... I will give it another try soon (probably not tonight though).

One thing... the ladder idea won't work for two reasons. One is the beach actually goes downhill there (it's not obvious in the photo). The second is that this is up by my mom's house, almost two hours from mine. I honestly have no idea how I would get a ladder up there.
Rent a U-Haul, silly!

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Rent a U-Haul, silly!

Look, do you want to get the shot? Then do what it takes!
No, you're right... I'm so ashamed. I should just go live in a cave somewhere.

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Too much contrast or too little?

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