Old 05-30-2009, 06:20 PM   #1
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Default Hmm, another photoshop job?

First off, I'm not trying to start a fight here, or even get the contributor who submitted this image in any trouble, I'm just making sure my eyes aren't playing any tricks on me..

Look at this image submitted by Jody Gontero of Conrail 5644 (NS 6757).

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=285548

Then look at this image of Conrail 5644 submitted by Philip Banks.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=285597

It looks as so Philip photoshopped in the red marker lights. The color looks a bit off (it SHOULD be a brighter red) and over on the conductors side, it just looks like he messed up and went out of the provided circle that the marker lights would be in.

Perhaps it's just me, but I'm pretty sure NS did away with all the former Conrail marker lights.

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Old 05-30-2009, 06:33 PM   #2
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Chase;

I do believe you're right, sir. The first time I saw it before this therda, even at a glance, I thoughht something looked off. But I didn't know NS took out all of the class lights.


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Those shots were taken on two seperate days. Maybe the marker lights were added in later for authenticity?
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Joe,
Glad to know it's not just me seeing things.

Ween,
Look though on the conductors side, you see how he went out of the provided circle? Besides, marker lights are not usually that color. They tend to be a bit more brighter. Also, there should be a silver ring which is placed on the outter part of the marker light as seen below.

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Those shots were taken on two seperate days. Maybe the marker lights were added in later for authenticity?
According to the EXIF data, they were taken with half an hour of each other, around 10 p.m. last night, the 29th. Phillip Banks must have loaded his shot today, the 30th, and just put that date in instead.
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The more I look at it, the more I agree with Andrew. They're so horribly photoshopped in, that it's funny. The shot is also leaning to the right.
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The more I look at it, the more I agree with Andrew. They're so horribly photoshopped in, that it's funny.
Indeed, it's horrible. I had trouble believing it, hence why I mentioned it to the forums! That conductors side is just terrible.

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The more I look at it, the more I agree with Andrew. They're so horribly photoshopped in, that it's funny. The shot is also leaning to the right.
Maybe that's what happens when you use the exposure settings that the RoadForeman uses that are a no-no on RP. The unlevel nature of it really stands out when you put each shot in a tab and toggle back and forth.
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Maybe that's what happens when you use the exposure settings that the RoadForeman uses that are a no-no on RP. The unlevel nature of it really stands out when you put each shot in a tab and toggle back and forth.
I don't get it?! But, while I got ya here, can ya help me with these 6 same rejects??.......
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I agree Chase, I think a fair bit of after-the-fact addition went on there.

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Back on topic, yes sir! I do believe that marker light is an after the shoot add on.
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According to the EXIF data, they were taken with half an hour of each other, around 10 p.m. last night, the 29th. Phillip Banks must have loaded his shot today, the 30th, and just put that date in instead.
I didn't look at the EXIF, just the date. I was willing to give the benefit of the doubt as I wasn't there, epsecially since this was a staged event that saw multiple folks submit their shots to RP. I guess I find it hard to believe someone would be so blatant in a PS job on something that public and comparible...
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Somebody's been doing some photoshopping......

Black blanks:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphot...=285549&nseq=4

Red blanks:
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If no one else says, it, I will.

WHO CARES?!

I would have never known if some body didnt point it. I dont spend my life obsessing over every single detail, the majority of people out there would never notice that the marker lights look fake. Im more concerned with what a boring shot it is than the fake marker lights.
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Some people don't think it to be a boring shot, and some people can't stand people who fake their photos!

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Some people don't think it to be a boring shot, and some people can't stand people who fake their photos!

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How is enhancing a section "faking" it?
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First off, I disagree that it is a boring shot. Compared to the endless roster shots and wedgies that get accepted on here alot lately, this shot at least has something to look at. As for the "faking", the problem is the photo guidelines state that you aren't supposed to alter a shot to the point that someone else could go to the same spot and get the same shot. It is a minor detail in the shot, but for that reason alone, why bother doing it is my question. The marker lights add nothing to the shot.

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How is enhancing a section "faking" it?
Are they depicted in a way that would be repeatable in real life? No.

That's fake.

If you need further information on "faking it" I'll have my wife post next as I think she's an expert on it

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Good one!



I never realized until tonight after reading this thread and the other thread about a CSX photo how stiff everyone is on the subject of photoshop. I also didnt know that the guidelines were that "strict" as well.

I make all of my income from photography, photographing weddings, and other portrait sessions include prom, engagement, seniors, etc etc. Im too used to photographing a teenage girl with a skit or an older lady with some wrinkles that wants to look great, girls in wedding dresses or prom dresses that dont truly fit them they way it should. Using photoshop to "alter" an image to make the client happy (thats why they come to you in the first place) has become such a regular routine that I do the same kind of stuff to everything else I do except for when I do assignments for the local newspaper.

If there are some power lines above the train and they can be removed easily, you bet they will be. Something annoying in my way such as a branch? Its gone, shooting into the sun? a little extra work using curves or adjusting the RAW file a few different times and I have something that looks great. I dont do this to every photo on here, but I have examples of each where I have removed power lines, removed trees or branches (one photo I had to reconstruct about 100 feet of RR tracks), several photos where I have to mess around to get a decent exposure on the nose with out blowing everything out. If that makes me a faker then thats great, lets remove my photos and take away my account. Im sure im not the only one.
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Well then, I'm glad she's so good with Photoshop..........
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I was willing to give the benefit of the doubt as I wasn't there...
Just as I was in the Franklin Adams shot with CSX. But, come on, he should hsve just painted a smiley face on the front of the engine; it'd look about as authentic.
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...epsecially since this was a staged event that saw multiple folks submit their shots to RP. I guess I find it hard to believe someone would be so blatant in a PS job on something that public and comparible...
That is a head scratcher. He was there and knew that others would post their shots if not to RP then elsewhere on the web, if not to magazines.

Well, he got Top Shot of the Day perhaps in small part to this thread. I feel bad for the guy at #3.
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WHO CARES?!

I would have never known if some body didn't point it. I dont spend my life obsessing over every single detail, the majority of people out there would never notice that the marker lights look fake. Im more concerned with what a boring shot it is than the fake marker lights.
Loyd is right. People do care, including myself. Maybe I should just go around taking photos of CSX ES44AC's, but turning them into Chessie, WM, and B&O ES44AC's in photoshop.

I usually tend to avoid photo shopping anything, regardless if I have power lines in the shot, or I have a distracting pole, etc. I just work around it, or I won't get the photo. It's a hobby for me, and I take pride in finding an engine that still has it's classy marker lights rather than photo shopping them in.

Besides, I come to RP.net quite often to look up roster shots of certain locomotives I hear about on the scanner, etc. and if I wasn't aware that NS had done away with all of the marker lights, the image would've been misleading.

Just my opinion. Again, not looking to start a fight, just throwing in my input.
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