Old 01-23-2007, 02:03 AM   #1
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ok when i have the day off i go to see whats going on at the railroad thne i find something intresting. the SD 45 is rare & i thought they make exceptiosn for rare units & the IC was as close as i could get. i took them on the besr quality.

if they reject them when i re do them i AM OFFICALY NOT GOING TO UPLOAD ANY MORE TO THIS SITE & I WILL NOT RECOMEND IT TO ANYONE.

like i said the screeners gave me crap once again. this does not make me happy. when i had the time to go & get photos they reject them. i think this site seems like you have to be a pro at it. & im only a BEGINER start from the bottom & i dont think this site should expect beginners to have it perfect off the top.
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Old 01-23-2007, 02:48 AM   #2
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Ok when i have the day off i go to see whats going on at the railroad then i find something interesting. the SD 45 is rare & i thought they make exceptions for rare units & the IC was as close as i could get. i took them on the best quality.

if they reject them when i re do them i AM OFFICIALY NOT GOING TO UPLOAD ANY MORE TO THIS SITE & I WILL NOT RECOMMEND IT TO ANYONE.

Like i said the screeners gave me crap once again. this does not make me happy. when i had the time to go & get photos they reject them. i think this site seems like you have to be a pro at it. & I'm only a BEGINNER start from the bottom & i don't think this site should expect beginners to have it perfect off the top.
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except they can only allow a certain number of new members per month, something like 20
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I haven't been to the forums in so long! WOW, I miss threads like this.

People charge me with being pompous when I browbeat the nitwits who complain endlessly (ah hell, I've done my share) about their garbage not getting accepted here at RP. This feels like home, where do I sign up to sandbag this critter?

My advice, learn to take a decent photograph by means of (1) using decent equipment, not the 2.1mpx HP digi-cam that came with your new printer; (2) gain a sense of composition; and (3) learn how to expose the damn thing manually! There is nothing worse than consistently using AUTO for every shot you take. I deal with enough people like that in my other photographic interests.

With all due respect to the valiant effort Tim Huemmer supplies at www.rrpicturearchives.net, the majority of the photos posted there are pure crapola. They are the misfit toys that didn't make Santa's "take out" list, and it shows. I'd say that this guy's photos belong over there. Unfortunately, I viewed this thread far too late to actually see the garbage he submitted.

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With all due respect to the valiant effort Tim Huemmer supplies at www.rrpicturearchives.net, the majority of the photos posted there are pure crapola. They are the misfit toys that didn't make Santa's "take out" list, and it shows.
Yes, Tim does a great job, no doubt there. There are a lot of contributors, however, who know nothing more than pointing a cereal box freebie digital camera toward every train they see, then feeling the need to upload every picture they take.

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I'd say that this guy's photos belong over there. Unfortunately, I viewed this thread far too late to actually see the garbage he submitted.
Rest assured, they were indeed garbage. It would have been interesting to have seen your reaction to the guy.

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While I agree, the overall quality of the material on that site doesn't touch what is on here, I think that site offers a great service. I use it to post pictures without having to wait for a screener to look at them, or shots that I like and others will enjoy too, but may have a blade of grass in front of the pilot of the engine, thus being rejected from this site. Unless it's a subject I am interested in or someone I know posts quality material there, I rarely just open up galleries there, because most times, it is a waste of time. I don't need to see a contributor pick of a gondola taken at 11 at night.
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It would have been fun to have this group at the crossing that day...

"Cokato MN" was a weird one for lighting; everything was white from snow and reflection, but it was late afternoon about 30 minutes before sundown. Pointed to the west all the photos I took were too dark (btw - I never submitted this one). Pointed to the east they came out like the tank car pic. It's the best photo out of 4 or 5 that I took at that crossing. I personally don't see overexposure, because it's exactly how the light was that day - and typically my Olympus C4040 defaults to a darker picture. I liked the shot then, and still like it now. Maybe it's because I had an enjoyable day and the shot is a nice reminder...who knows. It's okay if I'm the only one who likes the photo. At least I got someone to view it by posting it here .

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There seem to be two basic types of posters on the forums. The sore loser who complains that his shot has been rejected and the person who genuinely wants to improve. Wet Rails could benefit from posting his work for comment and then paying attention to the comments. Post shots like that on the forums, listen and improve or go away and sulk. It's your choice.
Interesting perspective. Glad to see you posted constructive comments on other strings looking for rejection help. Maybe some of that can come my way on the links towards the bottom of this post. Be decent though...not sure how much longer I'll be a sore loser

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...and should have never been submitted in the first place.
I disagree. How is a guy to discover what works if he doesn't try?

I like taking train photos, even if I'm not a pro. And with 30 years behind a camera of some kind you could probably bet my skill level will make me a perpetual amateur. That's what I meant about "creative wall." Some folks have it and some folks don't. Does it mean I give up and go home because I can't compose a shot to a subjective standard that eludes me? No, it means I keep taking the shots I like and doing the best I know how to do, because to me they represent more than a photo. Often they represent a day out with my oldest son searching for trains and enjoying his company. I'm okay with being a joe-schmoe photographer...life's too short to get wrapped up in one pursuit.

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I don't mean to sound harsh, but you've really got to check yourself when submitting shots here, and exercise a high level of self-control and quality control.
The thing that boggles my mind is that a person can put hours of thought, planning, and editing into a digital photo and still get a response like this quote, which assumes that the shooter picked up a 27-shot disposable and tried to create art. I think we can all safely say that the intent of each photog here is to take the best photo they know how to take, and to use what skill they have to sort out good from bad. Screeners do the rest. Some of you snap/submit photos with more success than others...be thankful for your gift. I suspect there are a number of people out there who have a point-n-shoot eye for photography - like myself - who will never have the strengths of other posters on railpics. You need us; we make you look good. Someone else also said, "If you can't tell why these two were rejected, you do not have an eye for shots, in my view." Interesting comment, but that's sort of like saying, "If I have to explain it, you'll never understand." I've seen forum tips that are more constructive.

I've trolled the forums since late `05 to get tips. Good stuff. From your comments it's clear they didn't help me much, but I will continue to troll. Some of you have asked to see other examples of photos that were rejected. If you're interested, here are some more:

Rejected for being too dark:
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Don't recall what this was rejected for in 2004:
http://www.railpixonline.com/bnsf_2731.htm

Lighting?
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There's no 'gift' in photography, really. Yes, some people have an eye for composition more so than others, but the basics of photography are pretty much a science. Doing X with the camera will lead to Y results. It's about learning how your equpiment works under different circumstances and how to adjust when you know the camera's brain won't keep up. If you have the belief that your "skill level will make me a perpetual amateur," then you have already limited your potential. When you start believing you can do something, that's the first step to getting there.

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It would have been fun to have this group at the crossing that day...

"Cokato MN" was a weird one for lighting; everything was white from snow and reflection, but it was late afternoon about 30 minutes before sundown. Pointed to the east they came out like the tank car pic. It's the best photo out of 4 or 5 that I took at that crossing. I personally don't see overexposure, because it's exactly how the light was that day - and typically my Olympus C4040 defaults to a darker picture. I liked the shot then, and still like it now.
I never said it wasn't a good composition, it's simply overexposed. You took a longer exposure to get the motion blur, but that resulted in a blown sky, blown signal pole and blown out snow...all overexposed. A neutral density filter would have come in handy for that shot, allowing you that same shutter speed, but not allowing the bright subjects in the picture to get blown out.

By no means was I trying to sound like I was being critical of your photographic "eye" or your skills, I was simply pointing out that the picture was way overexposed and probably should never have been submitted in the first place due to that fact alone because it was bound to be rejected (trust me, I'm pretty sure the screener's eyes are much more picky than mine).

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Maybe it's because I had an enjoyable day and the shot is a nice reminder...who knows. It's okay if I'm the only one who likes the photo. At least I got someone to view it by posting it here .
I can completely appreciate that sentiment.

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The thing that boggles my mind is that a person can put hours of thought, planning, and editing into a digital photo and still get a response like this quote, which assumes that the shooter picked up a 27-shot disposable and tried to create art.
Again, I didn't entend to make it sound like I was criticizing your photographic skills. I'm sure your knowledge in photography far exceeds mine, as I've only been using a DSLR for over a year. I've always had the "eye" for it, just never took the time to learn and fully understand the way I do now.

Maybe your eyes were tired the day you submitted that shot and it just didn't look overexposed to you...or perhaps your monitor is darker than mine. When I saw the picture the first time, it just screamed "overexposure" from all the blown whites. I get plenty of those myself, and I've learned to be overly critical of things like that, so perhaps my original comments to you WERE too harsh.

I'm sorry if I offended you in any way...that was not my intention.

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It's the best photo out of 4 or 5 that I took at that crossing. I personally don't see overexposure, because it's exactly how the light was that day - and typically my Olympus C4040 defaults to a darker picture.
Sounds like you're letting your camera set the exposure, rather than you. I know it may be troublesome to adjust the exposure on the C4040, if it's even possible. But once you start manually adjusting your exposure, you'll become more aware and in turn become a better photographer. If it's at all possible, I highly recommend getting a SLR, digital or not.
That way if a shot is improperly exposed, you won't have the camera to blame, only yourself. After 30 years of shooting, I think you deserve to use a SLR and some better photos.
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How about instead of giving the screeners your crap and taking que spots and being in front of actually worothy shots, you should look around the site at pictures from photographers that HAVE EXPERIENCE! RP does not only accept professional photos, they dont judge on the photographer, it is the QUALITY of the photos. If you are a beginner "of the top", you cant expect to have beautiful panning shots and silhouette's. YOU HAVE TO LEARN ALL OF THAT FIRST, AND TEST IT OUT!!!! Look at you, you act like its the screeners fault you have a bad shot. Well, its not. ITS YOUR FAULT! The screeners are just here to make sure GOOD shots get in. Not just pro shots. They cant take all the photo's. Some suck, some are actually worth the time to look at. Think like this. Would you rather look at a bunch of horrible shots, all crappy and everything, not worth a snot OR a few good ones, that you can tell the photographer put TIME into practicing to get it, and took the time to set up, and is actually worth time to look at? Id take the second choice.
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if they reject them when i re do them i AM OFFICALY NOT GOING TO UPLOAD ANY MORE TO THIS SITE & I WILL NOT RECOMEND IT TO ANYONE.
I thought you were already long gone?

Seriously, why are you asking for our help? When we give it, you blow us off and give us attitude. You give the site attitude when it is one of the best ways for you to get better (and you do need to get better if you want, not just to have shots be accepted at RP, but to become A BETTER PHOTOGRAPHER).

I can't believe you are actually posting here again given your past history and attitude. Seriously, what are you trying to achieve with your post. Honestly, I have no idea. You don't ask for help, even. You just show some pictures that show you have not learned anything, and you give the site a dose of your attitude. WHAT DO YOU WANT?
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If you expect RP to accept those two photos after you "redo" them, don't even bother.

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You said that you were done with RP.net. You had dozens of people trying to help you out, and all you did was rip on us. Your latest rejects look like all of the other rejects. If you want to become a better photographer, listen to the advice that we're all giving you, and don't cop an attitude. You may just learn something and become a better photographer.
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if they reject them when i re do them i AM OFFICALY NOT GOING TO UPLOAD ANY MORE TO THIS SITE & I WILL NOT RECOMEND IT TO ANYONE.
I bet they are extremely worried they have seen your website! But seriously is this some kinda joke? This guy can't be for real. Can he?
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I bet they are extremely worried they have seen your website! But seriously is this some kinda joke? This guy can't be for real. Can he?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! That view counter keeps rolling over there doesn't it! That was great, Warren.
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If you expect RP to accept those two photos after you "redo" them, don't even bother.
Just to confirm this point, nothing you do to these images will make them acceptable. Your best course of action at this point is move on to other places. Future submissoins of these images or similar quality images will be a waste of your (and our) time.
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: if they reject them when i re do them i AM OFFICALY NOT GOING TO UPLOAD ANY MORE TO THIS SITE & I WILL NOT RECOMEND IT TO ANYONE.
I'm sorry the advice many of us put time into typing out went right over your head I doubt you even read what we wrote and tried to explain. Not recommending RP or griping (complaining) about it with your little buddies won't help. There are how many THOUSAND different visitors from all over the world visiting RP every day. A group of teenagers who think their shots are God's gift to the world not looking at the site won't put a dent in...well..anything. The majority of people already know about the site whether their opinion is good or bad so it won't be news to them.

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I'm only a beginner too, that's what I'm here. And I have learned a whole lot from better photographers.
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Your photos are not good. Apparently you did not read our advice before.

I thought you already left?

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if they reject them when i re do them i AM OFFICALY NOT GOING TO UPLOAD ANY MORE TO THIS SITE & I WILL NOT RECOMEND IT TO ANYONE.
I'm sure you will turn away dozens of pro photographers from this site by not recommending it.


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like i said the screeners gave me crap once again. this does not make me happy. when i had the time to go & get photos they reject them. i think this site seems like you have to be a pro at it. & im only a BEGINER start from the bottom & i dont think this site should expect beginners to have it perfect off the top.
Actually, I think you gave the screeners crap by submitting it in the first place. And the mentality that you are a beginner and they should accept that is downright moronic at best.

By your logic, or lack thereof, I should be able to waltz right into the St. Louis Cardinals office and demand I be placed on the team. Well, yes, I completely suck at baseball, and I haven't played in a while, but they should accept that.

I am a beginning guitar player, too. I can't change a chord to save my ass. I can't pick. I can't strum worth a shit. My two hands don't even work in a coordinated fashion, and if you give me a guitar right now, my playing sounds more like two cats in heat having a fight in a metal trashcan. You know what? I think I am going to join the Rolling Stones. I'll demand they let me in. Sure, I suck, but they should accept the fact I am not good at it and just let me in.

Dude, this site does not expect beginners to have it perfect right away. Neither do the Saint Louis Cardinals or the Rolling Stones. But they also don't necessarily have to have anything to do with you.

And since you are a "BEGINER start from bottom," with the attitude that you have so far conveyed, I'm guessing you are either going to stay there on the bottom, or find a creative way to dig a hole in the bottom and drop even further. I have a four year old kid who acts more mature than this.

Like I said before, I am not sure why I am even wasting my time responding, but why not, eh? Look at the site. Do you see anything on here like you are trying to submit? Are there any wedgie roster shots with the front end of the engine cut off? Crooked like yours? Completely dull, cloudy days of common engines, or for that matter, even uncommon engines? It looks like you take a camera along and press a button. Anyone can do that. The above mentioned four year old did that, with the results you may expect from one that age. For a good photograph, it takes a little bit of practice, discipline, forethought, sometimes an alignment of circumstances over which you have no control, and most importantly, some better attitude. Anyone can take a picture. All you need is a camera and a finger to press the button.

And please be sure to let us all know when you actually "officially" leave. We're all dying to know of your "official" departure.
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brent--

please don't leave!

this is waaay too entertaining!

by the way... where did you sign up for the "kim jong il" course in diplomacy?

is it web-based?

i'm wanting to brush-up on my people skills...
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I'll never understand how these wangs look at photos in the database and come to the conclusion that their junk is on the same level
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Well, Pat, I shall be seeing you when the Cardinals take on the Rockies. Since this new "accept all beginners" rule is in effect I think I'll take up baseball too! LOL

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Because some people actually read the posts and either learn something or get a good laugh out of it. Like was mentioned in an earlier post this thread is basically for entertainment purposes.

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The sad part is that he thinks his horrible photos are just as good as the ones on RP when clearly they aren't even close! In fact everyone that I've ever heard bash RP has the same mentality when 95% of the time their photos don't hold a candle to the shots here.

It is ridiculous to say that only profession photos get accepted and it is not fair to beginners. I'm not a professional I just know how to use my eyes and my brain and most importantly my [camera] equipment when I'm trackside. I have taken some pretty crappy shots which I'm glad I took do to the rarity of the equipment or location but they will never be seen on RP at least for a few decades. The unwritten "rule(s)" are pretty easy to understand: if there is a similar shot of a particular engine/train/location on already why upload it?


I hate to see someone have such a poor attitude and know that his work (even if it improves) will probably never be seen or recognized outside of his little group or from the "viewers" of whatever site he choses.

I'm "officially" done with my post.
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Old 01-23-2007, 09:32 PM   #25
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Brent, you REALLY need to grow up. The screeners are not giving you crap, they are speaking the truth, the photos you've shown us so far are far from anywhere close to being acceptable for this site. BYE-BYE!
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