Old 12-12-2009, 10:38 PM   #1
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but is that a 598 second exposure?
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I also noticed that, and yes, it shows here as 598 - wouldn't that blow out the moon? I am thinking composite, at the focal length of 29mm on a 450D the moon does not come out that big, I believe.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but is that a 598 second exposure?
When I first opened it up, Adobe said "> 1024 sec." - then it said "1 sec." - and there's also a reference to 598 sec.

1 sec. looks right to me, looking at the point source on the building.

But the moon is, errr, an 'aftermarket' addition.

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Old 12-13-2009, 12:42 AM   #4
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Notice also the nice, jagged edges to the moon . . .

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I also noticed that, and yes, it shows here as 598 - wouldn't that blow out the moon? I am thinking composite, at the focal length of 29mm on a 450D the moon does not come out that big, I believe.

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Not only blow it out, but it will no longer be "round" at the 598 sec. (10 mins.)that I show too.

Here is a 120 sec. shot that I took and the man in the moon just wouldn't hold still that long
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Pfft. Stupid watermark.
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At a ten minute exposure, wouldn't the watermark blur too?
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It's a photoshop, the moon will blow out very quickly. remember, it's sunny 16 rule there!
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I was going to make a comment, but with my recent batting average, I figured it wouldn't be a wise idea.

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Even at 1/60, the moon is blown out.

It is a neat photo that he submitted, I just wish it wasn't photoshopped.

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Old 12-13-2009, 02:58 PM   #10
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Pfft. Stupid watermark.
I thought of you when I first saw that.
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To me the moon looks like it was shot at 300mm
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You guys are all stupid...in Hungary there are no stars, and the moon is so much larger because Hungary is so much closer to the moon.
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You guys are all stupid...in Hungary there are no stars, and the moon is so much larger because Hungary is so much closer to the moon.
Well duhh, and the moon is much, much dimmer.
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I don't see any problem doing a double exposure to get the moon exposed correctly. If the moon was taken in a different location, composition, or focal length, then it is a fail. If Canon would have kept there multiple exposure option when they went digital it could be pulled off. 2 exposures on frame and a black card. I guess you really could pull it off with one frame with a black card.
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The only way to do it with one exposure is to light it as bright as the moon or blend 2 shots in to one as he did.
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Just to play devils advocate, but doesnt editing it in photoshop kill the exif info?

If it is a 500 second shot, he would have blown highlights as well as motion blur on the moon, especially that low in the sky it seems to move faster, and 10 minutes you would definetly notice it.
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The only way to do it with one exposure is to light it as bright as the moon or blend 2 shots in to one as he did.
You can use a black card to cover the moon for most of the exposure. tricky
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You can use a black card to cover the moon for most of the exposure. tricky
Yes your way will work, But tricky.
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Just to play devils advocate, but doesnt editing it in photoshop kill the exif info?
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Sure, but if that's a 598 second exposure, we'd see stars, right? Did he mask off the sky as well? After all, the sky must have been clear if we can see the moon so clearly.
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Stars are iffy. Just think of the city sky. You will never capture stars. So if this was shot with any ambient light flooding into the sky the stars may not have been visable. Definintly not saying this is what happened in this shot. I haven't even opened it yet.
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Just to play devils advocate, but doesnt editing it in photoshop kill the exif info?
If that were the case, then wouldn't every shot accepted to RP have no EXIF data attached? Might want to think through that position you're advocating just a wee bit further.
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I took a closer look, amd it's clearly visible that the image was merged from at least three images, the sky is way less noisy than the rest of the image, not to mention that at the 12th of January there should be a FULL moon.

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It's not unusual from him. His aim is to upload all his pictures to the site, be the photographer top-guy who has the most pictures in RP from Hungary. No matter which manners he has to take to reach this.

Some previous arts:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphot...288182&nseq=97
The shadows of the handrails under the engine's windows are strangely missing, but the bumpers have it...

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphot...81463&nseq=120
Originally this train is moving to the opposite direction, the engine is pushing the train, so the 3 white lights couldn't be in operation,(just the two red lights in the middle, which is dark now)

Comparing these pictures to this new moonlight one, I think this time he went too far. Who ever made a nightshot with moon on the picture will see the problem at first sight, exif data just verify the case.
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