Old 01-04-2011, 02:04 AM   #1
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Thinking about submitting some shots of an abandoned section of track in my area. Any input is appreciated. Not sure if many, if any of them are RP worthy and figured I would inquire and see what everyone else thought.







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Old 01-04-2011, 02:06 AM   #2
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Old 01-04-2011, 02:07 AM   #3
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Personally, I like them in the order they are presented, with the first being my favorite.

I wish I could tell you if the are RP acceptable or not. If not, it won't be because there is anything wrong with them (they are quite nice), but rather it will be becuase you haven't captured anything that tells us where we are (the bridge, the signal, the landmark, etc.)

EDIT - This was written before you added the next two.
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Old 01-04-2011, 02:14 AM   #4
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The light on the first three is deadly dull, the fourth pretty flat also.

The depth of field work is interesting, on three I like it, on two it is a bit confusing. On four the shot is just too empty, the "subject" in the back not well formed - rail, leaves, a general zone of texture?

Shot one, what is the subject? A muddle of branches and other stuff.

I am not a fan of any, three would be nice with more interesting light and the subject moved up just a tad. The others, not a fan and I don't see the potential.
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Five, subject? I guess for me, when you get close, the rails themselves become less of a subject, rather, they become a frame for dull open space.

Six, confusing background, and a tie plate lying in the grass, obstructed, not fully in focus, not my cup of tea. A separate object, small in the frame, demands to be fully in focus, for me. That would not be true if it were a part of a tie/rail combo.

Overall, not a fan of the dull light. Light doesn't have to be bright to be interesting, but this light conveys no mood to me, not even one of decline. Just dull.

Sorry, not a fan, I see Charles is more so, tastes differ.

As for RP, I have a hard time figuring out what RP likes in abandonment shots but in general I can't think of any examples similar to these. I suspect no success.
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Thanks for the feedback from both of you, I appreciate it. Better light might help and if I get a chance to visit the spot in a better situation I will give it a go to see what I can get.
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As much as I respect J's opinion (and I'm not saying that to be polite, I really do respect his opinion a lot) we do differ here. In sun, these shots would be very patchy due to the shadows. Maybe rain or snow might add something, but I think you got them when you needed to get them.

My bigger question, and thinking of the abandoned shots Mitch did, which I thought worked quite well... is there a landmark anywhere that you can include, to juxtapose the track against? Even if it something from nature - just something you would know.

I hesitate to do this, because you frankly know more about photography than I ever will, but sometimes you can't see the forest for the trees on your own work - so here are two of my abandoned shots, and why I think they got in.

First thing that hit me was a monument to an abandoned railroad that I had shot, where I was able to use the surroundings to make you say, "Hey, there's a railroad there?"

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Or maybe better for this - second is where I thought the tracks themselves told a story. (Note, on this one, a shot I took standing in the gauge, seeing the abandoned tracks disappear down the way, was rejected).

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Overall, not a fan of the dull light. Light doesn't have to be bright to be interesting, but this light conveys no mood to me, not even one of decline. Just dull.
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As much as I respect J's opinion (and I'm not saying that to be polite, I really do respect his opinion a lot) we do differ here. In sun, these shots would be very patchy due to the shadows. Maybe rain or snow might add something, but I think you got them when you needed to get them.
Well, I guess I covered all options by not actually mentioning "sun," by saying "doesn't have to be bright", and by desiring the broader category of "interesting" light. The latter is a very nice catch-all term meaning "light I like."

Didn't we all agree just a few days ago that all shadows are, indeed, bad? Something like that ...
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Congratulations on getting this one in.
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Didn't we all agree just a few days ago that all shadows are, indeed, bad? Something like that ...
I thought that was that all door-to-door salesmen were bad... but you have a better memory than me.
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As much as I respect J's opinion (and I'm not saying that to be polite, I really do respect his opinion a lot) we do differ here. In sun, these shots would be very patchy due to the shadows. Maybe rain or snow might add something, but I think you got them when you needed to get them.

My bigger question, and thinking of the abandoned shots Mitch did, which I thought worked quite well... is there a landmark anywhere that you can include, to juxtapose the track against? Even if it something from nature - just something you would know.

I hesitate to do this, because you frankly know more about photography than I ever will, but sometimes you can't see the forest for the trees on your own work - so here are two of my abandoned shots, and why I think they got in.

First thing that hit me was a monument to an abandoned railroad that I had shot, where I was able to use the surroundings to make you say, "Hey, there's a railroad there?"

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Or maybe better for this - second is where I thought the tracks themselves told a story. (Note, on this one, a shot I took standing in the gauge, seeing the abandoned tracks disappear down the way, was rejected).

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Thanks,

Theres not a whole lot around the tracks except for woods. A good portion of the track has had the roadbed and ground beneath it collapse to reveal the creek that parallels the section of track and it may be possible to include it in the future. There is also a tree growing with the rail going right through it. It would take me a considerable amount of time with a shovel as well as brush trimmers to reveal this though. If anyone is a friend on my facebook they can see some other shots, much more snapshoty than the ones I included on here that show the creek and tree, etc.
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Thanks Chris,

Figured I would try to submit the two I really liked from the set and see what happens, the other one is still in the que but I personally do not expect it to make it through.
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Figured I would try to submit the two I really liked from the set and see what happens, the other one is still in the que but I personally do not expect it to make it through.
Well, well. Here is the other one.
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Hah... there you go...

I still think the two shots that you suggest, Joey, sound worth trying to get too.
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Hah... there you go...
Which is why one should always obtain a variety of opinions, in case they differ ...
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The two that got in I really like.
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I hope you learned an important lesson here, Joey.

DO NOT take my advice.
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My first ever, thanks.
I love both of the shots that have got on so far. Good work. Congrats on the t 24
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I give 2 thumbs up! You really captured the mood and feel of the scene! Great job!
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