Old 01-16-2011, 09:48 PM   #26
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Ben,

I don't think you were being called out necessarily, perhaps just involved in a comparison.

As for the rest,

I'm sorry, but I do prefer the photo Ben posted. Ian did have background scenery, but when I look at both photos, I just find Ben's to be the likely candidate to be accepted.

Perhaps I was a little harsh in my first post because I've been reading too many of Troy's posts?

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Old 01-16-2011, 10:18 PM   #27
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I think a cloudy/common shot has to be better than average to get in. Your shot isn't bad, but it doesn't yell at me to look at it either.

Ben's shot has a wide angle factor going for it. It's just a bit more appealing to look at on it's face and, well, it is exposed right.
Here is my basic principle, if its cloudy the composition has to be awesome. Most people think you can't get cloudy day shots on this site, that is wrong. You can't get cloudy day shots with boring compositions. So make sure if your going out on a cloudy day, you got some great compositions. Here are some examples by Steven Welch:

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If I go out on a cloudy day, I pretty much leave my telephoto at home and try to get great compositions.
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Old 01-16-2011, 10:24 PM   #28
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Could someone else explain to me how a wide angle shot it dramatic? This has been going through my mind
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Old 01-16-2011, 10:33 PM   #29
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I don't think wide angle itself makes it dramatic. I think it all depends on the scene. I think you can get a dramatic telephoto scene. I think the use of the word dramatic doesn't fit either of the shots posted here.
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Main thing is you need to get more of the scene in the shot. That's usually easier with a wideangle but can be done with a telephoto. Thing I'm trying to say is a basic telesmash/wedgie on a cloudy day won't be accepted.
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Old 01-16-2011, 11:20 PM   #31
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Okay - as a precaution and to save screener's time, here is my re-do of it being a bit brighter. Opinions are welcome.
It looks much better, but I still think the train is too low and too far to the left in the frame. I think Bad Cropping could be coming
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It also helps that Welchie was able to catch a few of those rare orange UP units. They don't really roam the system since the same photographers seem to catch them, and RP is a little more lenient because it is a special scheme.

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It looks much better, but I still think the train is too low and too far to the left in the frame. I think Bad Cropping could be coming
There's a railway box if I crop any lower. The box is for the PRR PL mast directly to my left ( not shown in the photo. ) Any other suggestions?
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Both shots are boring wedge shots (since boring was thrown around to describe one earlier, I'll use it too). The iron fence is too close to be anything but distracting in Ben's shot; I think calling that shot dramatic is a bit excessive. I suppose using a wide angle lens to shoot grass growing would also make the resultant shot dramatic?

There is noting dramatic in either shot... no snowstorm, no interesting lighting, no meet between trains.
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Both shots are boring wedge shots (since boring was thrown around to describe one earlier, I'll use it too). The iron fence is too close to be anything but distracting in Ben's shot; I think calling that shot dramatic is a bit excessive. I suppose using a wide angle lens to shoot grass growing would also make the resultant shot dramatic?

There is noting dramatic in either shot... no snowstorm, no interesting lighting, no meet between trains.
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I agree, my shot is much less interesting than a piece of paper....sorry guys. I'll try harder next time.

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I agree, my shot is much less interesting than a piece of paper....sorry guys. I'll try harder next time.

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I do work for a company that instilled going green is the way to go into it's employees heads, so paper is on my hit list, lol.

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I think they'd hit it for dark, bring out the right side of the histogram.

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I disagree on that completely... there is nothing dramatic about ben's shot and the fence is distracting. I would have cropped Ian's photo differently, but I think it's kind of silly to say what you said. Using a wide angle lens makes things dramatic?

Ben's photo is also showing signs of distortion, is very soft. I am guessing he used a 10-22...
Completely silly to say what Chase said.
I like Ians photo better as well, the fence especially the last post that barely pops up in the photo distracts me.
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