Old 03-17-2016, 11:41 PM   #1
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I am afraid I don't understand too loose. Can anyone help me please?
Is this worth an appeal? Dreaded backlighting I'm afraid
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Old 03-18-2016, 12:15 AM   #2
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The crop is too generous for the amount of interest within it. Tighten up on the train and remove a lot of the 'scenery' around it. I would also suggest that you reprocess it to lessen the halos around everything (and especially the nose of the locomotive).

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Old 03-18-2016, 12:51 AM   #3
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Dave,

Grab the right side of the frame and bring it in until the lower right "thirds mark" is right over The Scotsman. This picture should be a cinch to get in.
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Old 03-18-2016, 12:55 AM   #4
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Hmmm. This site has accepted photos with the train much, much farther away. (I won't ruffle feathers by posting recent examples.) The halos do need to be addressed.

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I like it, but is it composed off-center for any other reason than the site's "rule-of-thirds preference" (or rule-of-thirds obsession ) ?
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Old 03-18-2016, 01:09 AM   #5
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I've recropped Number 1 and resubmitted cropping off some of the tree on the left which I used to balance the tree on the right, so we will see what happens. With regard to the second one I liked the effect of the branches on the right so I left them in, happens to be rule of thirds but that didn't come into consideration. The trouble with the Tanfield Railway is that it runs south to north and everything is always backlit. Locos all face north so there is no chance to get "light on the nose". Thanks for advice.
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Old 03-18-2016, 03:03 AM   #6
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The second one would be much more effective if the highlights in the plume weren't blown out. It's kind of defeating the purpose of the texture in a plume that backlighting normally showcases.
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I'm in agreement with Jim on the highlights issue. Lots of photographers have problems getting the highlights right in backlit steam plumes. These are way too bright, but I have also seen a ton of examples in which folks killed the highlights to the point that the shot looks like an oil painting.

That second shot definitely needs some work on the highlights.
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Old 03-18-2016, 03:52 AM   #8
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The second one would be much more effective if the highlights in the plume weren't blown out. It's kind of defeating the purpose of the texture in a plume that backlighting normally showcases.
Yeah, but might be recoverable. Or, create new ones even with some cloning. I like both shots, but what do I know.


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Would be alot of cropping to get it to what RP wants, not sure if its feasible. But I agree here, there is not much of interest on the top and right edges, the tree doesnt do much for me.
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Old 03-18-2016, 12:25 PM   #10
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Well everyone, many thanks for your input. I went back to the drawing board and revamped both and they have both been accepted.
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How about that!!
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Old 03-19-2016, 03:10 PM   #11
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I am too late for this party but I will shoot off my mouth anyway.

I liked the first crop of the Scotsman as it was. I liked the context; nothing says Scotsman to me more than rough hills such as those depicted. I was flummoxed as to it's non-acceptance.

Regarding the use of ROT or Rule of Thirds, I am now exploring compositional ideas beyond it. You all may find this article of interest.

http://petapixel.com/2016/01/30/10-m...ule-of-thirds/

The haloing to me looked more to be steam vapor around the cylinders and a tad too much brighting of the ground (As in an effort to brighten the locomotive, your brush took an errant course.)

The Tanfield shot as first presented, screamed clipped highlights and was painful to see. Now looks lovely as it should.

So therefore David I shall ask in the forthright style of Jim Thias, how could an exceptional photographer such as yourself not see that?
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Old 03-19-2016, 04:57 PM   #12
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I am always flummoxed by screener decisions and I also prefer my original crop. I do like trains in landscape and not just a train. With regard to your forthright question the straight answer is "not enough light on the nose" It is the obsession in RP with backlit submissions. I had already submitted this picture four times and each time had been knocked back with this rejection. I therefore kept overcompensating . After this little discussion on the forum I just went back to the beginning and started again. The nose, if you can call it that, is just as dark as the original submission yet it was passed by the screener. Does anything make sense anymore in this world we live in?
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Cool Screeners or critics?

What I find troubling about the process is the originally submitted and rejected image looked just fine to me. It should have been accepted. It clearly was far better than many pix that do get accepted. The accepted version might or might not be an improvement, but if it is an improvement it is a minor improvement. Now if the screeners had a better track record for thoughtful artistic insights, I would say that is all and good. But the fact is their track record is arbitrary, full of inconsistencies, and often just nit picking. Which is not so much a criticism as a recognition of the nature of the beast given the volume of crap they have to wade through. They would better serve this site if they focused on accepting images meeting minimum standards (which the original version clearly did), and not try to occasionally and unpredictably serve as art critics or teachers. If for whatever reason they want to offer helpful advice, that can always be done with a note to the submitter with a suggestion to change and resubmit if they feel like it.
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I am flummoxed to see the word "flummoxed" appear twice in an RP thread!

I was fine with the original crop, it had a "landscape" feel to it. The tighter crop has a "RP landscape" feel to it. Yes, I can and do type "empty space" with the best of them, but that shot struck me as being about the scene, and the RP crop puts greater emphasis on the train. The original balance was fine in my view.
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Old 03-19-2016, 06:00 PM   #15
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I also like the original crop of your first rejection. Perhaps it gives a better feel for English countryside—or maybe the tree on the right frames the photo well and including all the exhaust works nicely in the image too. The composition is good to the eyes. Nice (original crop) photo, Dave!

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Regarding the use of ROT or Rule of Thirds, I am now exploring compositional ideas beyond it. You all may find this article of interest.

http://petapixel.com/2016/01/30/10-m...ule-of-thirds/
A good blog post, although not everyone agreed. I liked this comment from "Emergency Message":

" I believe you are either born with a good eye or you aren't. You can't teach natural ability to compose, its something that should happen at the camera."

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Pleasing / not pleasing
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Regarding the use of ROT or Rule of Thirds, I am now exploring compositional ideas beyond it. You all may find this article of interest.

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Thank you for posting this link. Very interesting read.
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