Old 09-28-2007, 09:01 PM   #26
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I sure hope I never shoot a train when the sun is below the train. That would cause some problems!
It would be cool to do a high trestle shot at sunrise/set where the undercarriage is lit up.

But Mike, lighten up a bit! While his use of "above" was sort of silly when taken literally, his general meaning was nonetheless clear, he felt he had decent light that wasn't behind the train. So at some point we need to stop piling on and nitpicking every word.
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Old 09-28-2007, 09:06 PM   #27
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As for the grief, I guess everyone is wondering why your strong response, when from our perspective the shot obviously does not meet RP standards. You erroneously fixated on a word and interpreted it narrowly. And then everyone piles on... (including me!)
I guess one of those mornings. I did get fixated on that word and I think it all stems from there. And also, when I think of backlit, I think of literally backlit - like a portrait where the light source is behind the subject (what I deal with on a regular basis). Yes, it's a matter of semantics...

Again, I apologize.
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Old 09-28-2007, 09:06 PM   #28
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I just thought it was funny that he said the sun was above the train.
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Old 09-28-2007, 09:09 PM   #29
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I think of literally backlit - like a portrait where the light source is behind the subject (what I deal with on a regular basis).
The sun was behind the train... More than the nose of a train needs to be lit.
That's not semantics.
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Old 09-28-2007, 09:11 PM   #30
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I just thought it was funny that he said the sun was above the train.
Ok, I was ready to drop this, but now I'm not so sure. What is so funny about this? You ever been outside during the day when the sun is up? Above things?
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Old 09-28-2007, 09:15 PM   #31
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The sun was behind the train... More than the nose of a train needs to be lit.
That's not semantics.
You talking about my shot? The sun was not behind the train.
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Old 09-28-2007, 09:22 PM   #32
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You talking about my shot? The sun was not behind the train.
I agree with crasyro, the sun was not behind the train as that word is customarily used; however, the shot is backlit as RP and some of us use the term. The sun was behind the photographer and in front of the train (the engineer could see the sun), albeit far enough to the right that it did not light up the visible side of the train.

"That's not semantics."
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Old 09-28-2007, 09:23 PM   #33
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You talking about my shot? The sun was not behind the train.
As Ween pointed out earlier, it is backlit, because the train is between you and the sun left to right (see below). Though another possibly better rejection reason could have been high sun, but then we'd have that debate instead...

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No, it's backlit.

From left-to-right it's you, train, sun. The train is between you and the sun: backlit. You can argue the semantics all you want, but it's got a flaw that's typically not accepted at RP...
The simplist solution for this, is go back and shoot from the other side of the tracks and forget about this shot.
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Old 09-28-2007, 09:43 PM   #34
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Backlit - light source behind the subject. In this case, it was above and in the front.
But if the train's shadow and I are on the same side of the train, the pic is likely to get rejected as backlit, terminology aside.

Here's one that was recently rejected for the same reason (note that I'm on the shady side of the train, tho the nose is amply lit). I only submitted it because the chances I'll be up in a balloon again at the exact moment when a train is passing below me are slim to nil. The screener did not empathize.

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I sure hope I never shoot a train when the sun is below the train. That would cause some problems!
If you happen to get a shot in the earliest sweetlight possible, the sun might be looking slightly up at the train.
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As Ween pointed out earlier, it is backlit, because the train is between you and the sun left to right (see below).
Glad somebody read that!

Another way to look at it: if the subject's shadows are pointing toward you or are between your relative position and the subject, it's backlit...
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Hope you dont mind asking here rather than start a new thread, what do you guys think of this one, was also rejected for backlit but since the pic is showing a bit more than just another wedgie i thought they might look past that.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=505366113

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For some reason it fells like im having alot of dejavu after hearing the same thing over and over.
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For some reason it fells like im having alot of dejavu after hearing the same thing over and over.
You are, because we have had to repeat it over and over.
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I agree with crasyro, the sun was not behind the train as that word is customarily used; however, the shot is backlit as RP and some of us use the term. The sun was behind the photographer and in front of the train (the engineer could see the sun), albeit far enough to the right that it did not light up the visible side of the train.

"That's not semantics."
It depends on what side of the train you are considering the back. In relation to the train itself, the sun is not behind it since the sun is shining on the nose. However, backlit is all about where the sun is in relation to you, the train and the sun. I considered the sun behind the train because it's on the opposite side of the OP.
Something can be behind something else even if it's not the front of it. The word behind doesn't directly correlate with the front. If the sun was behind the rearend of the train, that doesn't make it the front of the train.
I shouldn't have even replied; this doesn't matter and I've stopped caring.
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Hi all
Hope you dont mind asking here rather than start a new thread, what do you guys think of this one, was also rejected for backlit but since the pic is showing a bit more than just another wedgie i thought they might look past that.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=505366113

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It says there is no PhotoID matching that number.

Good work on the accepted shot!
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Old 09-29-2007, 02:58 PM   #42
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Yes i thought let me try appealing it and it worked!

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