Old 02-18-2011, 02:34 PM   #1
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I'm guessing at the back of the front truck, making more of an 8x10 ratio? Not sure.

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Crop to back of the truck, and bottom. The 8x10 look would be weak because of the empty foreground. Problem is, the result just feels cramped. I really wish you had more to work with on the right.

For that matter, I wish you were positioned further to the right, even with lack of nose light, Maybe not an RP shot but a better shot in my view.

And do you have an earlier frame? It would help a lot if we could see the entire silver pole supporting the wigwam. Then maybe I wouldn't be so bothered by the positioning.
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my first thought was to crop a lot off --- both at the left side and bottom. points of interest are front of train, worker, wig-wag and blue truck.
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Here's the frame before.

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Is this better to work with? I had thought the train was too far from the crossing, but I have to admit, I didn't even realize that the pole was blocked until J pointed it out.
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That's better, try this maybe?

Gotta crop out the pole on the left. Still wish you had a smidge or two more on the right, oh well.
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Thanks J... I'll try that.

This is a move that happens daily on weekday mornings, so I can go back... but getting that blue truck there again is obviously not going to happen. I liked the truck.
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Thanks J... I'll try that.

This is a move that happens daily on weekday mornings, so I can go back... but getting that blue truck there again is obviously not going to happen. I liked the truck.
If you were a little more devoted to your craft you would find the obvious solutions to these small hiccups.

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Those aren't blue.
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I presume you have seen this.

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No I hadn't, thanks for finding it.

That shot is pretty unlikely these days (six axle power for sure, is no more). That was taken back when the Harbor Sub was a through line from Los Angeles to San Pedro/Long Beach and stackers were common.

Today, the line ends pretty much 200 yards to the right (where the stacker is going).

There is a Hobart switcher that brings cars to the yard in the late afternoon, and with Daylight Saving's Time, it might be possible to get a shot facing east like that... but I'm not certain whether it would ever come down that way. I think it may be shoving (honestly don't know for sure... but it is worth a try).

I really, really, really wish I was railfanning more back in 1996. I was dabling in it a little, but going to extremely familiar places and never exploring. I discovered this wigwag about ten years later, after the line had been cut.
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Wow... I just looked at the date, and based on the lighting, I know exactly where I was when that shot was taken... putting on a pair of scrubs in preperation for accompyning my wife into the delivery room. My son would be born about an hour later.
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I think you want to go for two shots. Hopefully some version of your current shot gets on. And then go back and do a detail shot of the wigwam.

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I think you want to go for two shots. Hopefully some version of your current shot gets on. And then go back and do a detail shot of the wigwam.
I think he's going to have a hard time finding one of these to do a detailed shot of in California...




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Guy walks into a psychiatrist's office and says, "I'm a teepee, I'm a wigwam, I'm a teepee, I'm a wigwam."

Psychiatrist says, "I think I see you're problem.... you're two tents."
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I think he's going to have a hard time finding one of these to do a detailed shot of in California...




I think he's going to have an even harder time getting one of those accepted on RP!

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Thanks all... got the wigwam in.

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Ha!!!!!!

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Charles you must have missed the large "GP-25" on the side...
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GP25 is a BNSF designation for a derated GP50. I did not miss it.
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So its a GP-25, not a GP50...
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There's no such locomotive on the drop down list (much as there is no C45AC-CTE or C44AC-CTE).

The units did not go through a capital rebuild that would result in a new model designation, but rather were derated by having their turbochargers pinned.

Apparently, BNSF isn't even sure what to call them, as they were first listed as GP40XM, GP50M, or GP39XM. There is also a group of visually identical GP50s classified as GP50-3.

Frankly, I'm not totally opposed to calling them GP25, but there is no such EMD model and no such model from any rebuilder. It's simply a railroad designation for the derated units. Thus, this is not the same as the Morrison-Knudson rebuilds of SD39s, SD40s, and SD45s into SD40M-2s, where a capital rebuild had resulted in a new model. and they could be classified as MK SD40M-2s.

Who is the builder of the GP25?
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Well, someone has changed the designations to GP25.

Here is Charles' other 50/25 shot:

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Fair enough Charles.
Something that has been bugging me for awhile is how to classify the Missabe's SD-M's.
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No, EMD never made an SD-M. They are SD9's and SD18's rebuilt by the Missabe and classified as SD-M, with the M standing for Missabe.
So instead of RP listing them as EMD SD-M's, wouldn't they be DM&IR SD-M's? Just thinking aloud here.
IIRC the shops at Altoona would put their own builders plates on engines, so wouldnt that make them CR (NS-CSX, not an eastern road guy, no idea who owns what) SDXXXX?
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Max,

Unfortunately with all of this rebuild/re-designation (or non re-designation in some cases) going on, it all gets very gray as to what is correct and what is not correct.

My personal rule on the SD-M is that they should be classified EMD/DMIR SD-M, but a fair argument could be made that they are SD9r and SD18r. Either way, they were a capital rebuild, even if by the railroad, and thus are a different model.

With the Conrail rebuilds, I have gone with the new designation, again, because they are a capital rebuild.

But the railroads themselves will screw with you. One case that really bugged me was the Santa Fe capital rebuilds of the GP30 and GP35 fleet. The new models were GP30u and GP35u. BNSF then reclassifed these units as GP30 and GP35.

GP25 is a perfect example of how really unmanageable this has all become. The units were overhauled and had their turbos pegged. Technically, that shouldn't be a new model designation. BNSF has made it even more complicated with the SD39-2 designation which they are giving to SD40-2s following overhaul. How does one classify this differently than a real SD39-2? It wasn't rebuilt, so (again by my system) EMD/BNSF SD39-2 is probably false.

I don't have an honest answer.

As to the GP25 shot that J found... that has to have been changed by someone else, as even had I gone with GP25, I would have said EMD/BNSF GP25.

This is a real pet peeve of mine, that people can alter information on your images without your knowledge.
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