Old 12-18-2005, 01:24 AM   #1
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Hi guys. I plan on buying an EOS 20D soon. I'm stumped on which lens I should buy with the camera. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on what a good lens would be. I'm hoping to buy a fast lens. Thanks!
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Old 12-18-2005, 01:47 AM   #2
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Nick, what is your budget? Fast lenses
include the 70-200mm f2.8L, the 24-70mm f2.8L
the 50mm f1.4. But you don't necessarily need
the fast lenses. The 70-200mm f4 is a very
fine lens, that is considerably less expensive
than the 2.8, for instance.

I also like the 17-40mm f4.

You might want to read the reviews here, too:

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Hi guys. I plan on buying an EOS 20D soon. I'm stumped on which lens I should buy with the camera. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on what a good lens would be. I'm hoping to buy a fast lens. Thanks!
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Old 12-18-2005, 03:00 AM   #3
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Hi Dave. Thanks for your help. For some reason, I always have trouble determining how much money I want to spend.

The 70-200mm f4 sounds like a really good lens. I'm also still determining whether I should get a 350D or a 20D. We'll have to wait and see what happens. Thanks again for your help. Nick
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Old 12-18-2005, 03:36 AM   #4
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My advice is to buy the 350D and use the money saved
to get the 70-200mm f4 and the 17-40mm. Eventually
you could get the 24-70mm or the new 28-105mm and
the 300mm f4.

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Hi Dave. Thanks for your help. For some reason, I always have trouble determining how much money I want to spend.

The 70-200mm f4 sounds like a really good lens. I'm also still determining whether I should get a 350D or a 20D. We'll have to wait and see what happens. Thanks again for your help. Nick
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Old 12-18-2005, 04:48 AM   #5
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I worship at the altar of the 70-200mm f/4.0L. For railfanning, I can't see the need for a 'fast' (f/2.8 or less) lens. Maybe I'm wrong, but I need fast for indoor shots of my cat!
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Old 12-18-2005, 05:19 AM   #6
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Hi Dave. Thanks for your help. For some reason, I always have trouble determining how much money I want to spend.

The 70-200mm f4 sounds like a really good lens. I'm also still determining whether I should get a 350D or a 20D. We'll have to wait and see what happens. Thanks again for your help. Nick

I second the motion to go with the 350D body and use the extra money toward better lenses. For a mid range telephoto you can't go wrong with any of the 3 Canon 70-200L series lenses (F2.8, F2.8 IS, and F4) I currently own both the F2.8 IS and F4 (currently for sale) and both are wonderful lenses, razor sharp. The 70-200L F4 is quite a fine value at about $580 brand new. You can also add a 1.4x teleconverter to any of these 3 lenses and still get exceptional images with little quality degradation. And while not a fast lens, the new Canon 24-105L F4 IS is a great lens. I have been shooting with this lens since the first week of October and love it. Built like a tank, sharp, and Image Stabilized, something I'm a big fan of since I'm not always the steadliest person in the world. Its a great 'all in one" walkaround lens. One lens you should definitely own though is the Canon 50mm F1.8. Its rather cheaply built, but it is razor sharp, even wide open at F1.8 and is probably the best bargain in the Canon lens line at about $70 brand new from the reputable online dealers (cough, B&H, cough). Whatever you do, just buy the best lenses that you can afford as good lenses will outlive any digital body, and they hold their value quite well.

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Old 12-18-2005, 06:11 AM   #7
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I bought the 20D with the 17-85. I also purchased a 70-200 f2.8 L ( not the IS)
As has already been stated the 70-200 lenses are fantastic. However I think a wide angle is a must have......you can't always back up to get the shot. The 17-85 is a great 28-135 on the 20D and even though the maximum aperture is a little on the small side the flexibility of upping the ISO in the camera more than compensates. If you were on a budget maybe the 350D is the one to get but I'd still be after those two lenses to cover any situation. And yes the Fred Miranda site is a good place for a seriously good opinion.
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I have been using the 70-200 f2.8 (non-IS) with the Digital Rebel for over a year now. Before that, i was using the f4 model. The 2.8 is a little faster and at times I notice a little more sharpness. But i agree with the others, get you something along the lines of the Digital Rebel and use the rest for glass. Unless, you can move up to say the 1Ds, worry about the glass, not the body..
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Right now I use a Quantaray 28-200mm lens, that about covers everything unless I want to do some real wide angle. It's not a high priced lens but it seems to do the job by the look of my photos here. I think it goes for about $230.
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Also it's a F4.0 lens, but I normally shoot at 200 ISO anyways.
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Nice, Dave. Sounds like a good lens.
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A lot of my shots are with the Canon 17-85. I have found it to be very handy for RR needs.
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Good evening everyone. Thanks for all of your help. It appears that I am going to go with the 20D. The 70-200mm f2.8L is very, very tempting. I've seen some photos of it and it looks like a great lens.

I was wondering. Are there any fast 300mm and 400mm lenses out there? If so, are they pretty expensive? Thanks. Nick
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I was wondering. Are there any fast 300mm and 400mm lenses out there? If so, are they pretty expensive?
Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!

300mm f/2.8L IS USM $3,886.00:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/reviews/s...7&cat=2&page=2

400mm f/2.8L IS USM $6,400.00:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/reviews/s...7&cat=2&page=2

I like this hobby...just not that much!!!
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Consider the Canon EF 300mm f/4L IS USM... $1100. There are a number of users here that have this lens (myself included) and have been nothing but impressed. It's practically glued to my 10D.
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Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!

300mm f/2.8L IS USM $3,886.00:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/reviews/s...7&cat=2&page=2

400mm f/2.8L IS USM $6,400.00:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/reviews/s...7&cat=2&page=2

I like this hobby...just not that much!!!
Yikes! That second lens is more money than the Canon EOS 5D itself....way more!

Dan, thanks for your suggestion. I will look into the 300mm f/4L. Thanks again. Nick
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You definately need another lense besides a 70-200.... That's like tying yourself to a tree. Again.... If you chose that and get a 20d and a wide angle lense your looking at around 2,500$ and up after memory cards and other accessories.

350d and a Sigma lense or even the same lenses is about 1000-1500 depending on what you do and depending on the type of lense you get VERY similar quality, probably just as good if you know what you are doing for these purposes. My advice, save your $ unless you have an extra 500 bucks that you want to throw away. 20d's came first so at the time they were much better than say the 300d but the 350d's are insanely close to a 20d. But hey if you want to spend the $ do it....

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In your evaluation of lenses for the 20D don't forget that it has an APS-C size sensor.

This means that there is a 1.6X mulitiplier for normal EF lens focal lengths.

Example: a 50mm lens will have an effective focal length of 50 x 1.6 = 80mm

Don't forget a tripod if using big telephoto glass - 200mm becomes 320mm so camera shake will be even more of a problem at slower shutter speeds.
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I would try to stick with lenses made by the manufacturer.. seems to me that my share of Sigma (aka Quantaray) lenses generally aren't up to snuff.. Stuff like Purple Fringing, Bad Contrast, and Loss of sharpness. I'm not a Canon User myself (go Nikon) but for what its worth, if you're just uploading online and making the occasional 4x5, all you need is a 350D, 18-55mm USM (not the regular..) and a 75-300mm USM III lens. Its not the best combo for sure, but they give you a pretty good range (about 28-450) which is more than you're current camera's. They wont give you the Ultra Sharp, Perfect Focus and Best Contrast, but its all you would need for internet uploading. Also, remember that a SLR is a big step up in quality overall from a Pont and Shoot, but you may find it a bit more complicated to use, especally since you haven't really used a SLR before.
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I found that 300 mm on a digital (close to 500mm 35mm equivalent) is too long for most photos. It just stays in the camera bag and adds dead weight. Earlier this year I traded in my Canon 75-300 IS lens for a 70-200 L series instead (it needed considerable additional cash to get the new lens). It is a far superior lens in every way and actually gets used, thereby justifying my carrying it on planes and trains.

One of my most recent submissions was taken using this lens and was nominated as a screener's choice As I have the f4 version of the lens without IS, the camera was supported on a strong monopod to allow for the 1/30th second exposure.
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Bear in mind that all zooms are a compromise compared to a fixed focal length lens. Most of us own them but I've never had pictures as sharp as the ones that I took with fixed focal length lenses back in the old days. My all-time favorite was an 85mm f1.7 Minolta lens which was perfect for rail photography and took pin sharp images.
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Yikes! That second lens is more money than the Canon EOS 5D itself....way more!
Yes, that 400 2.8L @ $6,400 or so, is one hell-of-a-lens, even at that "way more" price. Having owned & used one, I can say that it does add a lot of "pop" to images requiring a long telephoto just as the 600 4.0L does.

Additionally, anyone who owns or buys one will tell you of another added "feature/annoyance" you'll soon discover and that being the "new friends" you'll suddenly have every time you pull it out of it's case.

It's interesting how the curiousity seekers come out of the woodwork when they see one of those long lenses.
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Hey guys. I hope everyone had a great Christmas and a very Happy New Year!

I have some news. I purchased a 350D that included an 18-55mm F/3.5-5.6 lens for $799.99 (including shipping and insurance). I haven't received it yet but it's in the mail right now coming from Indiana. I've left myself with $200. The lenses I have been looking at are Tamron and Sigma. Also, I've been looking into the Canon 50mm F/1.4. I found it for a pretty decent price of $74.99 on eBay. The Sigma 28-70 F/2.8 would be another one that I'd consider buying. I'll have to see how things turn out when I receive the camera. Take care everyone and have a good night.
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I've been looking into the Canon 50mm F/1.4. I found it for a pretty decent price of $74.99 on eBay.
That's the list price of the 50mm f/1.8 lens. Be careful what you're looking at on eBay...the price difference between the 1.4 and the 1.8 is ~$245.00...
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Chris, thanks for letting me know. While on the subject of eBay, I thought I'd share something interesting. There was a seller from China selling a 5D for $117. The auction title said "Canon EOS 5D 12.8 Megapixel + Canon 75-300 +2GB +More!". All that for $117? LOL. The seller had about twenty of them up for auction at that price. Some people actually placed a bid on a few of them.
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