Film crew train death

[CSX1702]

Yeah guys, I was trying to imply it would be a strange move from CSX. And from the article:

Gardner said that the production, which came from Meddin Studios in Savannah, had permission from CSX and Rayonier, the paper and forest products company that owns land in the vicinity, “to be in that general area.”

[troy12n]

Originally Posted by CSX1702

Yeah guys, I was trying to imply it would be a strange move from CSX. And from the article:

Sure, the people at fault are going to say they had permission until the end...

Law enforcement is pretty obviously believing CSX. In fact, they are investigating it as a homicide.

http://variety.com/2014/film/news/mi...ng-1201119180/

The sheriff’s office of Wayne County, Ga., released an incident report that suggests the production company did not have permission from CSX to shoot a scene on a train trestle and in fact may have been denied such clearance.

In the incident report, released to local reporters on Monday, Wayne County Sheriff Sergeant Ben Robertson writes that he witnessed a conversation between executive producer Jay Sedrish and and employee of CSX. “In my presence, Mr. Sedrish was asked by an employee of CSX if he had permission to be on the trestle or tracks and Mr. Sedrish replied, ‘That’s complicated.’

“According to the CSX employee, the production company had previously been denied permission to film on the trestle, and there was electronic correspondence to verify that fact,” Robertson wrote.

I hope somebody goes to jail over this. These people working on these indie movies make jack shit for money, and I bet they were working under the assumption that it was safe to be there

[CSX1702]

Yeah. That makes sense. I didn't believe CSX had given them permission myself.

[Dennis A. Livesey]

Originally Posted by troy12n

I hope somebody goes to jail over this. These people working on these indie movies make jack shit for money, and I bet they were working under the assumption that it was safe to be there

It's more likely the below the line crew felt if they did not go along with stealing the shot, they would be fired. Or that in the future, the local production people would remember any refusal or "troublemaking" and not "re-hire" that person.

That is the pressure below-the-line crew has to deal with.

I know. I dealt with this very issue.

[BobE]

Found this on trainorders.com: Savannah TV station says film director has a history of unsafe practices:

http://www.wtoc.com/story/24832602/v...tion-suspended.

Variety is asking why there wasn't a CSX rep at the scene:

http://variety.com/2014/film/news/mi...ge-1201122646/

[Holloran Grade]

Originally Posted by Dennis A. Livesey

It's more likely the below the line crew felt if they did not go along with stealing the shot, they would be fired. Or that in the future, the local production people would remember any refusal or "troublemaking" and not "re-hire" that person.

And that is the criminal act involved.

I was fired off a job fresh out of college (I told them I wouldn't do it) because they didn't have the equipment they needed to do what they wanted me to do safely.

I made them a list of what I would require and they refused, and told me I was being unreasonable and that "everybody" does it this way.

I said I'm not everybody, and they said you're fired, and I said bye.

Two weeks later I learned they blew up the facility (it was on the news) killing one and critically injuring another.

[CSX1702]

Originally Posted by Holloran Grade

And that is the criminal act involved.

I was fired off a job fresh out of college (I told them I wouldn't do it) because they didn't have the equipment they needed to do what they wanted me to do safely.

I made them a list of what I would require and they refused, and told me I was being unreasonable and that "everybody" does it this way.

I said I'm not everybody, and they said you're fired, and I said bye.

Two weeks later I learned they blew up the facility (it was on the news) killing one and critically injuring another.

Troy Almighty, I'm glad you got fired. This place would be too civil and boring without you.

[Holloran Grade]

Originally Posted by CSX1702

Troy Almighty, I'm glad you got fired. This place would be too civil and boring without you.

Gota know when to walk away from something, and know when to never get involved in the first place (I have walked out of interviews before).

Course, it usually takes life experience to recognize when something ain't Bristol, and you need to take a pass on doing it.

[CSX1702]

Originally Posted by Holloran Grade

Gota know when to walk away from something, and know when to never get involved in the first place (I have walked out of interviews before).

Course, it usually takes life experience to recognize when something ain't Bristol, and you need to take a pass on doing it.

You're saying this to the guy who wants to work for the railroad. I've read many posts online saying that no one should work for the railroad and I've been told by train crews not to work for the railroad. I'm still not gonna "take a pass" on doing it though. Lol.

[Dennis A. Livesey]

Bowing to the pressure of a 57,000+ Facebook petition, the Motion Picture Academy of the Motion Picture Arts and Sciences (The Oscars) posted a banner with Sarah Jones's name after the Memorium section of the Oscar telecast.

This is a big deal (well, in the movie industry at least) for a below-the-line crew member to be mentioned shortly after the above-the-line Academy members.

The whole issue is a hot potato for the Academy since it was above-the-line people who are responsible for the disaster.

I am glad we get their attention. And I am glad they did something.

[Holloran Grade]

Originally Posted by Dennis A. Livesey

.......This is a big deal (well, in the movie industry at least) for a below-the-line crew member to be mentioned shortly after the above-the-line Academy members.

CSX is going to sue the production company, just watch.

Originally Posted by CSX1702

You're saying this to the guy who wants to work for the railroad. I've read many posts online saying that no one should work for the railroad and I've been told by train crews not to work for the railroad. I'm still not gonna "take a pass" on doing it though. Lol.

Why should't you work for a RR?

Most of the people who complain are losers anyway, and were it not for the union, they would be unemployed because they are lazy, sloppy and don't want to follow the rules.

People like that would be unhappy doing any job.

There are plenty of people who actually try to do a good job and they are quite happy at work.

[CSX1702]

Originally Posted by Holloran Grade

Why should't you work for a RR?

Most of the people who complain are losers anyway, and were it not for the union, they would be unemployed because they are lazy, sloppy and don't want to follow the rules.

People like that would be unhappy doing any job.

There are plenty of people who actually try to do a good job and they are quite happy at work.

Exactly. I just have to make sure I never mention railfanning.

"So what makes you feel you're qualified for the job?"
"Uh....well, I know the difference between a SD40-2 and a GP40-3 and I can tell the difference in a K5LA and a K5LLARBI7. I've also been on the RP forums."

".......Next."

[Dennis A. Livesey]

Originally Posted by Holloran Grade

CSX is going to sue the production company, just watch.

CSX, good luck with that.

The Hollywood financial shell game is already in play. Just try to find any entity attached to this production that has any money.

The best that we can hope for is jail time for the perpetrators.

[troy12n]

Originally Posted by Dennis A. Livesey

CSX, good luck with that.

The Hollywood financial shell game is already in play. Just try to find any entity attached to this production that has any money.

The best that we can hope for is jail time for the perpetrators.

Typically companies have to be bonded in the state they are working. CSX might go after the bond.

[Freericks]

Originally Posted by Dennis A. Livesey

CSX, good luck with that.

The Hollywood financial shell game is already in play. Just try to find any entity attached to this production that has any money.

The best that we can hope for is jail time for the perpetrators.

Has Star Wars made a penny of profit yet?

[JRMDC]

More details

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...-allman-685976

[MassArt Images]

Originally Posted by JRMDC

More details

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...-allman-685976

Way fewer details here:

http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/reports/2...ail_Prelim.pdf

[troy12n]

Originally Posted by MassArt Images

Way fewer details here:

http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/reports/2...ail_Prelim.pdf

That's downright embarrassing. Whoever put their name to that report should get fired. They even used a stock photo. I know it's preliminary, but damn, it's pretty bad when you get more info from the comments section of a movie blog

[jdirelan87]

Originally Posted by troy12n

That's downright embarrassing. Whoever put their name to that report should get fired. They even used a stock photo. I know it's preliminary, but damn, it's pretty bad when you get more info from the comments section of a movie blog

I totally disagree. Its a very factual summary produced very quickly after the accident. The NSTB isn't a news agency. The findings of that investigation will undoubtedly be a big part of various legal battles resulting from this. Would you perfer they include wild speculation into the report?

[KevinM]

Originally Posted by troy12n

That's downright embarrassing. Whoever put their name to that report should get fired. They even used a stock photo. I know it's preliminary, but damn, it's pretty bad when you get more info from the comments section of a movie blog

Hi Troy,

The preliminary report that you see from the NTSB is very typical of what they issue at the very beginning of an investigation, when there is a ton of heresay and very little has been established as factual. The NTSB will typically use a team approach to examine all of the physical evidence, as well as interview all of the people involved. It takes a long time to complete these investigations, not only because they can be complicated, but because their case-load is large.

I know that there is a tendency to look upon the NTSB as just another government bureaucracy, because all of the spokespeople that you see (like Chairwoman Hersman) are political appointees. Below them however are engineers, aviators, railroaders (etc) who are genuinely interested in getting to the bottom of every accident they look at, and the people are generally very qualified. When the board investigated the Gettysburg boiler explosion in 1996, they pulled in Linn Moedinger and J. David Conrad. You won't find many steam locomotive experts who are more well-respected than those two fellows.

Having been an aviator myself for over 30 years, I once strongly considered applying for a job with the board. I find their work fascinating. Unfortunately, as an aviator, I didn't think I could handle spending most of my life going from one smoking hole in the ground to the next. It's a bit like being a paramedic. You see the worst of the worst and it takes a toll after a while.

Believe me, when the board is done with this, I think you will be pleased with the level of detail you see.

[Ween]

Yes, as a trained mishap investigator, preliminary reports are short and to the point ala "Mishap aircraft impacted ground short of runway, 4 fatalities;" the details come out later in the final report. But unlike the NTSB and their investigations, we've only got 30 days in the USAF to put it all together and release the final report! Government being efficient? I'm shocked too!

[Freericks]

Originally Posted by Ween

Yes, as a trained mishap investigator, preliminary reports are short and to the point ala "Mishap aircraft impacted ground short of runway, 4 fatalities;" the details come out later in the final report. But unlike the NTSB and their investigations, we've only got 30 days in the USAF to put it all together and release the final report! Government being efficient? I'm shocked too!

But you work for the government. You are the government. Are you saying you've met the enemy?

[Ween]

Originally Posted by Freericks

But you work for the government. You are the government. Are you saying you've met the enemy?

I very Ron Swanson-like when it comes to my job. I realize the irony in being a government employee...