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Those stars look unnatural, and, wouldn't the flash have totally blown the stars out? Also, those buildings look like they were shot @ daytime.. they are SO bright! And the trees behind that church are even still illuminated. And, there is practically no reflection from the flash on the engine. Coincidence?
You don't know much about night or flash photography, do you?
COINCIDENCE?
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Old 02-16-2009, 05:58 PM   #52
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I think Mr. Knapp might make single exposure HDR's, that is, having one file and then changing the EV in PS and saving two other files... then merging into an HDR. I mean really, that halos, and the overall look.
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Old 02-16-2009, 06:26 PM   #53
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This image stretches RP's rules on a realistic or documentary approach to the outer limits. The locomotives look so cheap and plastic, one begins to wonder if the rest of the image is real or not. Gary's color often looks heavy-handed and ugly to me. This is the main reason his critics here go up in flames.

This is the RP view.

However, taking in the broader world view of photography outside of trains (yes, there are people whose take pictures of things OTHER than trains, gasp!) I think the compo, the lighting, the IDEA is outstanding. While I think the locos look plastic, the shot works in a bigger sense. It shows imagination, a lot of creative work well done. His ideas are growing. He has taken the suggestion to include human element. His basic ideas are terrific and he gets up and out there in the middle of the freezing night and snow and does the work. Which is a lot more than many of his critics do, including me.

I think an artist, which Gary is, should do whatever he feels his muse leads him.

In the big still photography world out there heavy PS creation and manipulation is not only condoned but expected and applauded.

Still, he needs to work on his skill in post-processing to become a a world class photo-image artist.

All this coming from a guy whose own work is much more modest than Gary's.
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You don't know much about night or flash photography, do you?
COINCIDENCE?
You're right, he doesn't. Because if he did, he would have known that no stars show up at 1/250th shutter speed, hence no stars to blow out by the flash. So that leaves the obvious question...why are there stars in his picture at 1/250th shutter speed?
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While I think the locos look plastic, the shot works in a bigger sense. It shows imagination, a lot of creative work well done.
So, RP should reward...imagination? Good ideas? Nah, not me...I'll stick with results...
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100% agreed. EVERY SINGLE one of his shots should have been rejected for a multitude of reasons - bad color, over processing, digital manipulation, too much nose. The fact that any of his shots get accepted is a total joke and it validates everything the haters say about the site. Here are three humdingers I randomly selected from his last 15, it doesn't really matter which ones you pick, they're all a joke:

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Grain in the sky is so big, you can literally individually count them... assuming you wanted to count that high.

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Not only does the black 'night sky' change color seven times from the center to the right edge, the point were the color changing is insanely over pixelated.

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If you want a good laugh cut, paste and side by side the sky two inches above the engine/church to the sky about a 1/4inch above it. I don't think I could have made a more obvious halo effect if I tried.

What compounds one's frustration is that while these crap shots are making it into the database, it seems like ticky tacky rejections are picking up. Screener consistency has always been a problem on the site, unfortunately the gap seems to be ever increasing rather than improving.
OMG, look at the middle example! Wow....
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This image stretches RP's rules on a realistic or documentary approach to the outer limits.

This is the RP view.

However, taking in the broader world view of photography outside of trains (yes, there are people whose take pictures of things OTHER than trains, gasp!) I think the compo, the lighting, the IDEA is outstanding. While I think the locos look plastic, the shot works in a bigger sense. It shows imagination, a lot of creative work well done. His ideas are growing. He has taken the suggestion to include human element. His basic ideas are terrific and he gets up and out there in the middle of the freezing night and snow and does the work. Which is a lot more than many of his critics do, including me.

I think an artist, which Gary is, should do whatever he feels his muse leads him.

In the big still photography world out there heavy PS creation and manipulation is not only condoned but expected and applauded.

If this is true, then these rules should be exonerated.


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So, RP should reward...imagination?
Hell yeah!

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I have hard enough time trying to get a shot that looks good in the day time! He must have some money invested in some crazy flash power. I wonder when he sets it off if NOAA thinks it is a lighting strike?
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Funny, my kids just watched that episode on TV today!
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OMG, look at the middle example! Wow....
Look a little underneath the bridge... those pixels are HUGE.
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Funny, my kids just watched that episode on TV today!
So did, Jimmy T!
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So, the question is, who's going to put their computer talents to use to get a completely computer-generated image into the DB?

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I'm sure there are some MS Train Sim guys that could get pretty close.
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I'm sure there are some MS Train Sim guys that could get pretty close.
I suspect you're right. Some of the screen shots of the Pennsy equipment for MSTS2 (before that got cancelled) looked pretty darn impressive. Not that I'm actually advocating putting a fake in the DB . . .

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That's it, Danny Beck is never going to be a member here.
Who am I kidding, he'll probably bribe someone with a .psd
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I suspect you're right. Some of the screen shots of the Pennsy equipment for MSTS2 (before that got cancelled) looked pretty darn impressive. Not that I'm actually advocating putting a fake in the DB . . .

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I have hard enough time trying to get a shot that looks good in the day time! He must have some money invested in some crazy flash power. I wonder when he sets it off if NOAA thinks it is a lighting strike?

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I'm looking forward to this coming out. The original MSTS2 project, which was a collaboration with Kuju (who also did the original MSTS) was cancelled a while back. This version is supposedly based on MS Flight Simulator instead, so that should be cool.

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I am hoping also, and I keep and eye on it regularly for any updates.
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You guys are lagging a bit behind, aren't you?
It was canceled nearly a month ago..
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You'd think their official web site might mention that little detail . . .

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Well, I'm an artist too... Do I have a chance of including these?









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You'd think their official web site might mention that little detail . . .

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