Old 10-28-2011, 12:32 AM   #1
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The following photo was rejected for the train being too far away. I personally am not to sure on this and wanted to get some other opinions on the photo before I did anything or if anything at all. It doesn't seem too far away to me, but if it isn't, maybe its bad cropping? What's your opinion?

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Old 10-28-2011, 12:35 AM   #2
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Ian,

If your goal was to show the entire scene with the genset and the yard office, the unit was not too far away, but unfortunately, I don't think railpictures is interested in that type of material. What I would try would be a vertical crop with the engine in the center, and the hills as a backdrop. Or if you're really dead set on the scene you have, just try a tighter crop with the yard office in the left 1/3 of the shot and the engine to the right, almost the way you have it now.

Hope this was helpful.

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Old 10-28-2011, 12:38 AM   #3
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Ian,

If your goal was to show the entire scene with the genset and the yard office, the unit was not too far away, but unfortunately, I don't think railpictures is interested in that type of material. What I would try would be a vertical crop with the engine in the center, and the hills as a backdrop. Or if you're really dead set on the scene you have, just try a tighter crop with the yard office in the left 1/3 of the shot and the engine to the right, almost the way you have it now.

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Thanks much, Charlie. I see what your going with the tighter crop and that looks much better when I look at it. Will try that and re-submit. See what they say. Thanks again
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Old 10-28-2011, 12:51 AM   #4
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The photo is OK, but the train is not the subject. they want the train to be the subject, not telephone poles.
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Old 10-28-2011, 12:54 AM   #5
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The camera's focal point is directly on the unit, not the poles..
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Old 10-28-2011, 12:54 AM   #6
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Not a fan, too cluttered. All those poles really kill the scene for me personally. It's cropped a little too close on the right, then you have the shadows.
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Not a fan, too cluttered. All those poles really kill the scene for me personally. It's cropped a little too close on the right, then you have the shadows.
Thanks for your input, Troy. Will see what happens and if it gets the door just simply save it for the personal files. No biggie.
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Old 10-28-2011, 01:32 AM   #8
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So what's the speed limit in that area, anyway?

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Saw my first SD40-3 today. Not as bad looking in person I must say. It was offline and doors on the long hood open, lol...
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Old 10-28-2011, 01:40 AM   #10
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The photo is OK, but the train is not the subject. they want the train to be the subject, not telephone poles.
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The poles are the subject! Think of this shot as being equivalent to one of those pretty barn shots, with a train going by in the background. But instead of a barn, it has poles.

Not every interesting scene has to be pretty. Sort of interesting, how that location came to have all those poles, and all those speed limit signs.

Butt ugly, of course, but sometimes that is railroading. I won't be favoriting it but I won't complain if it gets on.
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The poles are the subject! Think of this shot as being equivalent to one of those pretty barn shots, with a train going by in the background. But instead of a barn, it has poles.

Not every interesting scene has to be pretty. Sort of interesting, how that location came to have all those poles, and all those speed limit signs.
I dont think that's the case, but if it is, if the poles are the subject, I would have found another place to shoot, but that's just me.

I think the speed limit signs are an afterthought. I could be way off base though.
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The camera's focal point is directly on the unit, not the poles..
Photography 101 lesson for the day: "Focal point" ("the center of interest or activity") is not the same thing as "focus point" ("the point where light rays originating from a point on the object converge"), and "focus point" and "subject" are two vastly different concepts. Just because you have a small piece of the overall composition perfectly in focus does not mean that it will be the dominant object in the frame, the subject which draws the viewer's attention.

In this instance, the eye is drawn to the line of poles. Moving off to the right and closer to the power (which you had permission to do, right?) would have increased the apparent space between the poles, reducing their prominence in the scene, and allowed the yard power to play a greater role in the composition as it was positioned closer to the bright, attention-grabbing office building.

Edit: This is what I get for re-reading my post too many times - Janusz beats me to the punch.
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The shadows are the downfall for me. Be nice to be able to read the sign on the left too.

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Why is there a speed limit sign on every pole?

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So what's the speed limit in that area, anyway?
Ha-ha! You beat me to it. That was literally the first thig I saw in the shot.
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Photography 101 lesson for the day: "Focal point" ("the center of interest or activity") is not the same thing as "focus point" ("the point where light rays originating from a point on the object converge"), and "focus point" and "subject" are two vastly different concepts. Just because you have a small piece of the overall composition perfectly in focus does not mean that it will be the dominant object in the frame, the subject which draws the viewer's attention.

In this instance, the eye is drawn to the line of poles. Moving off to the right and closer to the power (which you had permission to do, right?) would have increased the apparent space between the poles, reducing their prominence in the scene, and allowed the yard power to play a greater role in the composition as it was positioned closer to the bright, attention-grabbing office building.

Edit: This is what I get for re-reading my post too many times - Janusz beats me to the punch.
Thanks for the correction, David.

I have permission to be there [the yard] ; but I don't have permission to go wandering onto the tracks wouldn't want to do that either way. The shot will be easier done when I have a telephoto lense whenever that may be, as the shot is taken at 70MM and cropped in.
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Ian, yes, the poles are the primary subject in the original, but focus on making the engine the main attraction with the crop I suggested. Let me know if it makes the cut...it has good potential here with the right crop, especially with an interesting engine...

Good luck!

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Thanks for the correction, David.
Quite welcome. I know you're only 16, but as you continue to grow up you'll find that semantics are very important.
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Old 10-29-2011, 05:23 AM   #19
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I think Dan will really gravitate towards this shot because it has a whole butt load of poles, and he really likes poles.

I think like the others that the train is not the subject and there are more interesting poles to shoot such as code line poles with insulators and such.
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Quite welcome. I know you're only 16, but as you continue to grow up you'll find that semantics are very important.
Very true, David.

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I think Dan will really gravitate towards this shot because it has a whole butt load of poles, and he really likes poles.

I think like the others that the train is not the subject and there are more interesting poles to shoot such as code line poles with insulators and such.
I will wait for winter to kick in here and try some with the insulator poles down in town.. See what I can come up with. Maybe include a wedgie or 2 there of a Dash 9 as well.
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