Old 03-09-2010, 09:17 PM   #1
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Or maybe it's just me.

Most certainly the screener is looking at the building (s) on the right hand side, and it emphasizes it dearly with it being near the edge so closely. BUT, if you level the buildings, the bridge will be unlevel, quite noticeably, as I've tried this . I just appealed, maybe it'll go through, thoughts?

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This one, I'm clueless. Is it pointing up? Look ok to me.

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Old 03-09-2010, 09:26 PM   #2
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I think both shots need a bit of CW rotation.
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Or maybe it's just me.

Most certainly the screener is looking at the building (s) on the right hand side, and it emphasizes it dearly with it being near the edge so closely. BUT, if you level the buildings, the bridge will be unlevel, quite noticeably, as I've tried this . I just appealed, maybe it'll go through, thoughts?

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...key=1020844201
No, the screener is more likely looking at the building above the locomotive which is closer to the middle of the image (the point one should use when leveling, not edges). It needs a bit of CW rotation.

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This one is close but judging by the windows on the building and the bases of the statues it needs CW rotation as well.
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Old 03-09-2010, 09:33 PM   #4
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Three Conrail SD60's and you cut them all off with what is in this case clutter, blasphemy!
Id much prefer to see a shot of them coming down the street in West Brownsville or just a nice plain shot of them right there without the foreground stuff, that can wait for when you have a trash 9 three pack.
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They've both got bigger issues than levelling, but both of them are leaning to the left by a small amount. More importantly, the exposure, color, and composition is poor on both shots.
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Bridge: not only is the building on the right side leaning left but so are the vertical girders of the bridge near the left margin. Open and shut case. Exposure is poor.

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Not a big fan of the military, Nikos? Ben, I would prefer it using a step ladder, get above the statues and reduce the "up" feel. Not a fan despite the 3x blue.
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First one is leaning pretty bad... Didn't know the river leaned!
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Or maybe it's just me.

Most certainly the screener is looking at the building (s) on the right hand side, and it emphasizes it dearly with it being near the edge so closely. BUT, if you level the buildings, the bridge will be unlevel, quite noticeably, as I've tried this
Everything in the image is leaning to the left, including the bridge. Not sure what you mean about the bridge being unlevel if the buildings were made level.
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Thanks for the comments, guys. I'm going to keep the exposure as is for now, looks ok here. I leveled up the bridge shot. And I guess that 3x blue 60I shot, not that I look at it, is more of a grab shot than anything. They were departing the yard as soon as I pulled up and tried to include SOMETHING other than a side roster shot. Eh, I tried. Thanks again.

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Another issue with the SD60 shot is that there's so much shadowy grass at the bottom, while the top of the trees are cut off. Can you recrop and leave in the top of the trees?

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unfortunatly, no, Chris. One of those things, it worked well in my head but not in pixels. Like I said, as soon as I pulled up they were departing. Camera wasn't out of the bag or anything yet. I'll try again, with J's advice of a stepladder. The blue 60I's frequent the area on the PPLX drags, might have to wait a little bit for some sun, but I'll retry it. I like the idea. Not the execution.

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Ben,

I'm using a brand new monitor and therefore am not exactly a paragon of getting the exposure looking exactly right every time at the minute, but both of those look quite overexposed here. Notably the white logos on the Conrails are all that "this is totally clipped" white color. I'd personally tone it down to something like what I've attached (I might have overdone the darkening a bit, but the highlights look noticeably better).

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Same here Carl, brand new monitor. No excuse for leveling though Your version looks a lot better side by side with mine. I'll get used to it, eventually. I need to start using the histogram again, too hahaha. I'm getting horrible at processing! AAARGH!

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Ben, a couple more things. First, color is tough to judge, and I am not on the best monitor, but that red on those bricks looks pretty saturated. Especially given economic conditions in Brownsville.

Second, color in general. The entire image has this dull March snow is gone nothing green blah look. The blue on the bridge isn't enough to carry the left side of the image as far as color, especially in that it can't balance the strong red on the right. This is another way of saying the entire image has a blah feel, and not a moody blah, an ugly blah, a blah blah. You have shot this before, I vaguely recall, you will shoot it again, I hope you catch it sometime during a better part of year.
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A side roster shot of 3 Conrail blue SD60Is is 100% totally fine! They stand on their own and need no extra (2)ness to them! Ala:

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I dont want to sound unpatriotic, but that second one I find really distracting
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Probably the 2nd rejection.

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Agreed, scenery and opportunity's for artistic shots will be around forever, straight sets of blues will not!
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So, Ben, what you are saying is you mucked up maybe the very last time three CR blues and no black are seen on a train through W Brownsville?
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I overlaid a grid on the first rejected photo and it appears to me that some of the vertical members of the bridge structure are plumb but others lean to the left by varying amounts. I think that some Perspective Control adjustments would make everything look plumb and level.

I think the second photo should be levelled by measuring the angle of tilt on the statues and rotating accordingly. As for cropping, I would suggest less grass and more blue sky.
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I agree with the other comments in that I would've tried to show off the three CR engines. I always appreciate creativity, but in this case, a simple composition would've been your best bet to show off those sharp looking locomotives.

I would say maybe next time, but a trio of CR engines in 2010 is pretty rare.

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Id much prefer to see a shot of them coming down the street in West Brownsville or just a nice plain shot of them right there without the foreground stuff, that can wait for when you have a trash 9 three pack.
How about a video of them?
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