Old 12-22-2007, 01:37 AM   #26
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A few words...this shot is for sure a record on rejection. I forgot to mention blurry, we have that in Airfleets rejection guideline, and oversharpened is part of a non standard reason, not used most of the times.

If your shot was an aircraft being screened in Airfleets, i would reject with only one reason....photo underexposed, don't need more words than it.
Werner, that wasn't a list of the actual rejections he got for that photo. It was just an example photo that was included with the COMPLETE list of rejections POSSIBLE.
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Old 12-22-2007, 01:37 AM   #27
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A few words...this shot is for sure a record on rejection. I forgot to mention blurry, we have that in Airfleets rejection guideline, and oversharpened is part of a non standard reason, not used most of the times.

If your shot was an aircraft being screened in Airfleets, i would reject with only one reason....photo underexposed, don't need more words than it.
Andrew is a screener and I am sure he created this one just for our benefit, checking all possible rejection reasons so we could see them all. It's not an actual submission.
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Old 12-22-2007, 01:43 AM   #28
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It's more general than that. For example, if the shot is head-on there is no trailing train or width is not an issue but off-center is nonetheless often preferable.

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Although centered works, especially if the surrounding add something of interest, such as this frame-within-frame. (Since this is a wedge, however, to some extent the eye goes to the cab first, which is not at the center but rather on the right third.)

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I would suggest a good photography book, such as Bryan Peterson "Understanding Exposure" or perhaps, since we are talking about composition and not all of photography, "Learning to see Creatively"
A frame into a frame you say is a train sorrounding by something of interest, like a composition of trees, the sky and the rail line. Sometimes is the buildings in the city, cars and people.

Do i have pointed the right way for a frame into a frame?
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A frame into a frame you say is a train sorrounding by something of interest, like a composition of trees, the sky and the rail line. Sometimes is the bildings in the city, cars and people.

Do i have pointed the right way for a frame into a frame?
No. A frame within a frame is when there is something in the shot that acts as a secondary framing around the subject. So in my last shot, the vertical pole and horizontal lines form a rectangular frame within the shot. A shot through a window works the same way.
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Surrounding the train with somethings of interest is just plain good photography. Something mighty difficult to do with airplanes in the sky pix, of course.
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No. A frame within a frame is when there is something in the shot that acts as a secondary framing around the subject. So in my last shot, the vertical pole and horizontal lines form a rectangular frame within the shot. A shot through a window works the same way.
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Surrounding the train with somethings of interest is just plain good photography. Something mighty difficult to do with airplanes in the sky pix, of course.
Thanks, i understand now, your photo is just perfect to telling me how works a frame into a frame.
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I forgot about this one
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or this one
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Sure i understand perfectly with these exemples.

A frame into a frame it might not be possible with airplanes, because i get aircraft shots before landing and/or just after it. Airplanes in the hangar, is a possibility, but not usually could be a centered subject in the shot.
Also need to say with aircrafts, the subject must be full in the shot, from a side to the other side, like from left to right.

If you ask Chris Kilroy, also with shots in Jetphotos database, he can understand what i figure out.
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Sure i understand perfectly with these exemples.

A frame into a frame it might not be possible with airplanes, because i get aircraft shots before landing and/or just after it. Airplanes in the hangar, is a possibility, but not usually could be a centered subject in the shot.
Also need to say with aircrafts, the subject must be full in the shot, from a side to the other side, like from left to right.

If you ask Chris Kilroy, also with shots in Jetphotos database, he can understand what i figure out.
Keep in mind that frame-within-frame was not the main topic of the post in which I mentioned it, rather, it was centering vs. rule of thirds. The former was probably a diversion from the main point, oops.

BTW, regaring centering and planes
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Keep in mind that frame-within-frame was not the main topic of the post in which I mentioned it, rather, it was centering vs. rule of thirds. The former was probably a diversion from the main point, oops.

BTW, regaring centering and planes
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Back to the subject of the topic, backlit must be the most of the rejection train shots, and with black & white can generate some areas in the shot as underexposed, not exists in colors ones, because the contrast appear more distinct.
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If he didn't cut off the wood pile in the background it would be much better. Oh well.
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I'd say high sun rejections out number backlit rejections. Probably poor lighting rejections, too, but that's just a gues.


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Looking at the shots again on a better computer, they are dark. Can't decide which I like better out of 2 and 3, but I would pick one or the other and work on it for RP. I think Shot 4 might develop contrast problems if you try to ligten it much more. But I still like these shots.


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Thanks Everyone, for all of your constructive criticism, and helping information on my photo's. I took all of yalls advice, brightend them up, and concentrated more on the industries, and am trying 2 new photos which are in the que right now.

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Well, I hate to toot our own horns, but...
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Thank you, Very Much Andrew, and Everyone else who has helped me out with this. I am very pleased with the results.

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