Old 08-18-2011, 03:14 AM   #1
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Default I can't see it, but then I'm blind anyway.

Is this indeed undersharpened? I did sharpen it in post the usual amount I normally do, a bit before resizing and a bit at the end of the process. Or is it maybe just the clouds that are soft?

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Old 08-18-2011, 03:15 AM   #2
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Maybe they meant to hit the bad color button?
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Old 08-18-2011, 03:32 AM   #3
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Troy, what is the bad color you are seeing? I opened it on two monitors and on my cheapo monitor there seems to be a greenish cast to the sky (as opposed to the bridge, which is in fact green) which is not apparent on my HDMI monitor. It also seems to be detracting from the almost-sunset lighting. Is that what you see? If so I will reprocess using that monitor I should add neither is calibrated, so I don't really know which one to trust but the good one hasn't given me any Bad Colors in the 2 months I've had it...
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Color seems fine, sharpening is hard for me to evaluate in shots where everthing is so far away (barriers look sharp!), but, man, that sky, you've got nothing up there to justify giving it so much space. This shot works nicely as a panorama, but I don't think so for RP, they won't take that crop and this crop is well out of balance, to me.
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Old 08-18-2011, 03:49 AM   #5
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I just don't like it. I guess that would be a "IJDLI" reject. Sorry....no disrespect intended (but you asked).
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Old 08-18-2011, 04:06 AM   #6
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J, here's the full shot. As you can see I have options for different crops. I was debating which had more interest (or less disinterest) and went for the sky over the highway - maybe too much? And then there's that ugly shadow to contend with too. This shot hasn't been cropped or anything, just resized for the forum. Ron, is there anything there to attenuate the IJDLI factor by way of cropping? Oh, and no disrespect taken, I do appreciate your input!
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You didn't attach anything! Or my browser is not processing it right, that happens sometimes.

One comment I forgot to make before, that barrier is not helping you at all, I wish you could have crossed the road and shot over it.
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Way too much sky, I read the remarks and know you wanted to be on the other side of the road, but you need more foreground for it to work.
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You didn't attach anything! Or my browser is not processing it right, that happens sometimes.

One comment I forgot to make before, that barrier is not helping you at all, I wish you could have crossed the road and shot over it.
Sorry, I think I didn't give it enough time to load. Bear with me, I'm trying to fix it...

Yeah, I wish i could've crossed the road too, but I don't have a suicide wish!
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Here is the image, I hope!



Dang, now I'm getting the Diagnose Connection Problems page. Not a good night...
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Maybe this time? It said it uploaded...
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I could try a crop like this, or maybe a different frame with a vehicle in it. I dunno. I desaturated this one a hair too, is the color better or worse?
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My personal take is that this is a grab shot, you saw the train, pulled up, and shot what you could. One can crop it to a 3:2 or 5:3, but to my eye you end up with this dull Jersey Barrier foreground and a distant train, just not an appealing shot, certainly not your level of compositional quality. Let it go.

If you want to go for that shot, next time, plan a way to get in the lanes going the opposite direction.
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Sadly I agree - you needed to be across the highway - or to have something fascinating on the highway.
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Sadly I agree - you needed to be across the highway - or to have something fascinating on the highway.
Does a guy waving out the window of a pickup truck flying by in a blur count as fascinating? I actually like this shot except for the dull sky/distracting shadow probs, but then I'm somewhat biased.


Okay after looking at it again... maybe not. But it does have more interest.

Anyway I'm gonna take J's advice and give up on this and hit the hay. Other side of the road is not parking friendly and hiking in at dusk not very smart considering they don't allow honest people to carry handguns up here in the Great White North - only criminals have those! Next time (if there is one) I'll try to shoot from further west where the road goes up out of the valley using a long telephoto to get a more oblique angle on the nose and keep the road out of frame altogether. I've contemplated that shot before, but as J mentioned I didn't have time to get a better setup this time, the train would have been too far past the bridge by the time I got there.
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Had you been on the other side of the bridge, there might have been a salvageable shot there----but none of these do anything for me (although the truck speeding by could be cropped in a tighter version that would be kind of cool). I don't see a logical crop in the initial photo. It's a shame, too, because the lighting on the train is cool, and it would appear there were possibilities. As you noted, you couldn't be on the side where the shot was, though----so it's all a moot point. Close---but no cigar.

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Troy, what is the bad color you are seeing? I opened it on two monitors and on my cheapo monitor there seems to be a greenish cast to the sky
Yes, less yellow on the saturation slide...
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Old 08-18-2011, 12:03 PM   #18
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The under sharp is likely how far the train is away from you and the crop left to few pixels for sharp? Time to redo it. Color looks ok for time of day but for me I take it off awb and set to sunny with raw makes less work as the AWB isn't guessing what you want.
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The under sharp is likely how far the train is away from you and the crop left to few pixels for sharp? Time to redo it. Color looks ok for time of day but for me I take it off awb and set to sunny with raw makes less work as the AWB isn't guessing what you want.
I almost never use AWB but the exif says I did here so who am I to argue. Must've been when I was shooting with mixed light sources previously. I sometimes set it to AWB cuz I know I'll have to mess with it anyway and sometimes using AWB in that situation gives a more neutral starting point. Regardless, I just checked the camera just to be sure and it's set to sunny, so I must've changed it back at some point in between. I also played with the pickup one, just for the hell of it, cropping closer and sharpening more. The pixels stood up fine and it does appear sharper but then it's morning now and my eyes aren't tired yet!
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