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Default Its not really backlit.... but should I quit?

1 reject for noise, then for backlit. Sun is actually on my right. It is just the clouds making it seem backlit. I thought it might t busted for nose light..... Give up or not ??

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Old 12-05-2011, 06:34 AM   #2
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I thought it might t busted for nose light...
That was a big problem when it left West Colton, California.

I don't know about this, it is not back lit enough to be really artsy, and yet the front is clearly in the shadow.
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Old 12-05-2011, 06:42 AM   #3
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I think the clouds absolutely make this shot, regardless of whether or not the nose is "properly" lit. I might crop a bit off the top and left to avoid smashing the train down at the bottom of the composition, but overall I'm a big fan of how B&W brings this all together.
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I like it but you have some serious image quality issues on the nose, I'd have given it a excess JPG compression rejection.
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I actually think you need to darken the nose - and go "artsy" whether for here or your own use. I agree, the clouds are great.
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I think there are other issues going on in the shot, too. First, check the level. At quick glance, it looks to need some CCW rotation. I think the cropping leaves too much sky and I'm not a fan of the contrast. I think adding more contrast may actually darken the nose a little more too.

Also, see if you can't find out the proper reporting marks for this one.
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clone out the modern buildings and you have a winner!
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Old 12-05-2011, 03:56 PM   #8
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I actually think you need to darken the nose - and go "artsy" whether for here or your own use. I agree, the clouds are great.
I am not unhappy with the shot but still have not figuered out the issues with the nose. It shows much more noise then the rest of the shot. Imay play with it some later and try again....... Those clouds are just nothing in the original color shot
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I think the clouds absolutely make this shot, regardless of whether or not the nose is "properly" lit. I might crop a bit off the top and left to avoid smashing the train down at the bottom of the composition, but overall I'm a big fan of how B&W brings this all together.
Me as well. The dark smokebox front (...steam locomotives do not have "noses"... ) looks great, particularly with the headlight on. I love the clouds.

I think this is a winner---particularly the B&W.
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Needs more contrast and some leveling. Maybe like this. Oh, and your black and white version is pretty warm, ironically.
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Needs more contrast and some leveling. Maybe like this. Oh, and your black and white version is pretty warm, ironically.
I know people like to go a bit dark with BW but I find the original and Peter's take both waay too dark. It seems off to have such strong shadows, not just the nose but the shadows on the ground/rails near the train and from the bridge onto the cars in the back, and yet have everything so dark, especially the sky. It looks to me like it was a sunny day, but with clouds in the distance.

Attached, I start with the original. I like more detain in the nose (Peter, why did you take yours all the way to black? There is nothing there, I looked!) so I did that to my tastes also.
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I have a strong preference for Peter's. It looks foreboding. Janusz' looks fake to me.
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I have a strong preference for Peter's. It looks foreboding. Janusz' looks fake to me.
I don't disagree, and I didn't spend that much time to get the "best" look. But Peter's foreboding looks quite fake to me.

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I think the clouds absolutely make this shot, regardless of whether or not the nose is "properly" lit. I might crop a bit off the top and left to avoid smashing the train down at the bottom of the composition, but overall I'm a big fan of how B&W brings this all together.
I love the shot. As others have said the sky is GREAT, and the lighting in general is also very nice. But the nose (smoke box front) is a challege. I think it needs some perspective correction, looks like you shot very wide angle. And I would try to crop out as much of the modern buildings as you can without loosing balance. Yes, B&W makes this one. But it is a bit of a post processing project.
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....really quick and dirty on PSE. Mainly I tried to fix the perspective and crop out the modern building. I probably darkened the sky a bit too much. And I did not try to deal with the nose issues since I was not on CS5 which has better tools for that sort of thing.
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I don't think any of the three really makes my jaw drop, but the one by Janusz is a happy medium of the two. Peter's is way too dark for RP, in my mind and I stand by what I said in my first post regarding the original shot. Especially the reporting marks.
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.... I probably darkened the sky a bit too much.
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Here's my go at it:

First and foremost - loose the warmth - it's not appealing as a maroon and white. Sometimes a true B&W works best. I did this with "auto color" but you could also reconvert to B&W via saturation or channel mixer.

Next - add some contrast via contrast or levels.

Next - add some brightness, but not with brightness, rather, with shadows and highlights filter. The scene is simply dark and boosting the midrange areas helps.

Last - I brought the contrast back up -or, rather, brought back some of the solid blacks after the use of the shadows and highlights.

I love the perspective - really shows off #844's lines. The crop is perfect - nice and balanced, train nicely positioned and captured in full.

Looked to be a tough shot - maybe underexposed but you had to choose between the smokebox and the sky. That's a hard engine to capture with the elephant ears!

It's as good as others in the database even if not perfect. Or should I say, it has enough going for it to be considered for the database.

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Small note - my copy as seen prior to uploading to RP actually is more B&W and less red. Not sure why it's coming over colored...
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Little experiment....

Not sure why the color shift in my first upload, yet, strangely, a screen capture copy comes over correctly.

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