Old 03-06-2016, 06:52 PM   #1
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This was a weird rejection I got for this photo. The screener outright told me it was of poor aesthetic quality. Not by a long shot. Don't you think this should have been accepted? In your opinion, where do you think the screener made a mistake?
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Old 03-06-2016, 08:08 PM   #2
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No idea, other than maybe the screener doesn't care for the person being right in front of the trolley, as a safety rather than aesthetic issue. Or maybe the screener thinks both people prominent in the street are awkwardly placed and had no rejection reason that matched other than PAQ. Just guessing, I suppose.
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Old 03-06-2016, 09:54 PM   #3
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My eyes went straight to in-front-of-trolley guy. Do you have another frame? If not, it seems like a re-shoot wouldn't be too difficult.
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Old 03-06-2016, 11:24 PM   #4
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That's a good point Minin' camper. I will check to see if I kept the next frame.
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Old 03-07-2016, 01:10 AM   #5
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Maybe more of the Bullet effect, more street in front, and a "different" set of pedestrians would have really helped. People in street photography should be interesting in some way? and like mentioned, the guy seems almost stuck on the car. Railroad Magazine ran some interesting street car scenes.

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Old 03-07-2016, 02:37 AM   #6
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This picture has a boat on the horizon and a BMW in it. I think that suggests "San Francisco" in a unique but universal way. But I think you are right RobJor, needs more street perhaps.

Here's the preceding pic. The pedestrian blocks the train even worse unfortunately. But I think that heightens the drama--what's going to happen to him?

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Old 03-07-2016, 05:27 AM   #7
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Gotta wonder what that guy is doing. Trolly obviously is going in that direction.


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Old 03-07-2016, 05:49 AM   #8
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Exactly. Typical San Francisco entitlement. He's not even in the crosswalk. But it also emphasizes the size of the trolley, which creates a sense of mass. So telling.
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Old 03-10-2016, 04:11 AM   #9
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looks like a crosswalk to me......if the guy infront of the trolley is causing the photo to be rejected on "safety" grounds that would be truly stupid and pathetic.
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http://www.railpictures.net/viewphot...=568981&nseq=5

This one today has the hills(bullet effect), girls, golden glow, reflection off rails, leading lines and compression which works well. While there are pedestrians crossing they have visual separation from the car. Everything you connect with SF.

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The screener outright told me it was of poor aesthetic quality.
How did the screener outright tell you? In the screener notes? What were his exact words?

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This picture has a BMW in it. I think that suggests "San Francisco" in a unique but universal way.
WHAT?
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Exactly. Typical San Francisco entitlement. He's not even in the crosswalk. But it also emphasizes the size of the trolley, which creates a sense of mass. So telling.

You hate San Francisco so much, what are you doing up there shooting pics? Go somewhere that you don't need to mock the locals with your superiority.
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Good find, Jim, no BMWs in Michigan, right? None in New Jersey either.
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Gotta wonder what that guy is doing. Trolly obviously is going in that direction.


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Trolley is obviously stopped at cross walk which he is walking over (in the vicinity of, for argument's sake). Pic is zoomed in, making it all appear far more dangerous than it is.
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You hate San Francisco so much, what are you doing up there shooting pics? Go somewhere that you don't need to mock the locals with your superiority.
I was just joking around Freericks as to the guy crossing the street...yes the man has just gotten off the streetcar and is crossing the street as the streetcar engineer is about to close the doors.
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Old 03-11-2016, 12:04 AM   #16
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How did the screener outright tell you? In the screener notes? What were his exact words?
Here's the quote from the screener: "Poor Aesthetic Quality: This rejection means that the photo is of low aesthetic qualities.."
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I was just joking around Freericks as to the guy crossing the street...yes the man has just gotten off the streetcar and is crossing the street as the streetcar engineer is about to close the doors.
Sorry I didn't realize that. Problem with text posts, can't read what's in the voice.
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Here's the quote from the screener: "Poor Aesthetic Quality: This rejection means that the photo is of low aesthetic qualities.."
That's not a screener note. That is a rejection reason, and I would bet that everyone who posts here has received it from time to time.

For future reference it's considered to be proper form here to post a link to the rejection URL, so everybody can provide objective response to the actual image posted and the actual reason(s) for rejection.
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Old 03-11-2016, 03:21 AM   #19
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That's not a screener note. That is a rejection reason, and I would bet that everyone who posts here has received it from time to time.

For future reference it's considered to be proper form here to post a link to the rejection URL, so everybody can provide objective response to the actual image posted and the actual reason(s) for rejection.
Yes that's correct. There was no "screener note" that know of. So it's pretty unambiguous I think.

I think attaching the pictures is preferable rather than rejection links, because the rejection links expire after a few days and then there's nothing to refer to for discussion...
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So what's up with the BMW comment? How in the world does it "suggest 'San Francisco' in a unique but universal way"?
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So what's up with the BMW comment? How in the world does it "suggest 'San Francisco' in a unique but universal way"?
Hello, Jim. Thank you for your interest in my artworks. It's not the BMW alone that suggests San Francisco, it's the BMW set against the ocean background, with the streetcar, and the giant ship looming on the horizon, which together suggests San Franciso: it's long-past maritime origins and nature, it's beautiful views, and of course the many advertisements and movies which have been filmed with fancy cars on its steep hills and there is also the issue currently facing the city of rents going up up up and the tension between the new tech economy whose workers are gentrifying the entire city of pushing out residents. Don't you think the photograph captures the ying and the yang of Frisco?
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I think attaching the pictures is preferable rather than rejection links, because the rejection links expire after a few days and then there's nothing to refer to for discussion...
If a thread about a particular rejection continues for more than seven days, the discussion has digressed significantly from the original post.
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If a thread about a particular rejection continues for more than seven days, the discussion has digressed significantly from the original post.
That's a good point. But what if a reader in a month, wanting to learn about rejections and understanding how to approach them, starts reading through these old posts? They won't have any reference point visually, b/c the image is gone, that's why your suggested system cannot work. I think you're right but we need to think about the future readers, not just the readers of the now.

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That's a good point. But what if a reader in a month, wanting to learn about rejections and understanding how to approach them, starts reading through these old posts? They won't have any reference point visually, b/c the image is gone, that's why your suggested system cannot work. I think you're right but we need to think about the future readers, not just the readers of the now.
I'm trying to help you as a newcomer to the Forums, but you seem to have a penchant for ignoring advice and insisting that you know better. I'm out of this discussion. Good Luck.
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I'm trying to help you as a newcomer to the Forums, but you seem to have a penchant for ignoring advice and insisting that you know better. I'm out of this discussion. Good Luck.
Decapod didn't mean to come across as ignoring advice. If you want me to not post the images I'm happy to oblige you.
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