Old 06-04-2009, 10:17 PM   #1
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Default They cant cut a break on a "high sun" shot when it was a special event?

There was a brief window for two days to get these shots during the day, they only opened the area after a certain time and they cant cut some slack on the high sun rejection when this shot will never be possible again?

This was taken within 10 minutes of the museaum being opened to the public that day, was not possible to get better lighting.

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Old 06-04-2009, 10:32 PM   #2
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Well, the high sun is pretty rough in this shot. If it means that much to you, the shadows could be brought out more.

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This was taken within 10 minutes of the museaum being opened to the public that day, was not possible to get better lighting.
This shot is pretty much rendered redundant by the night shots with excellent lighting of 5644 at this event. Plus, maybe it's just that I'm not a Conrail fan, but a quick search finds 120+ Conrail SD60M/I's in the database and that appears to be the real CR units not NS/CSX patch jobs. Do you have anything with a more interesting composition.
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Old 06-04-2009, 10:37 PM   #3
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Well, the high sun is pretty rough in this shot. If it means that much to you, the shadows could be brought out more.



This shot is pretty much rendered redundant by the night shots with excellent lighting of 5644 at this event. Plus, maybe it's just that I'm not a Conrail fan, but a quick search finds 120+ Conrail SD60M/I's in the database and that appears to be the real CR units not NS/CSX patch jobs. Do you have anything with a more interesting composition.
Well there havnt been any day shots submitted so just figured I'd submit one, I'm not hellbent on having this accepted or anything just figured they would be a little more lenient on the high sun considering the nature of the photo.

Any shot on here you can find numerous others of the same or similar engines, so I dont think that matters.

This was the only angle available if you didnt want other distracting objects in the shot.

Like I said, no big deal, but they do accept alot more high sun shots nowdays and figured this type would deserve a little more slack.
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RP is about great photographs, not how the great the story is on how you got the shot or how special the event is. This looks like a high sun roster shot with a cut off subject on the right hand side.

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Old 06-04-2009, 10:51 PM   #5
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RP is about great photographs, not how the great the story is on how you got the shot or how special the event is. This looks like a high sun roster shot with a cut off subject on the right hand side.

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We had a cutoff subject debate the other day and apparently its perfectly fine if its not the main focal point of the photo. In fact there are numerous shots on here of trains with a service vehicle like this cutoff.

If there was a zero tolerance on high sun shots, thats one thing, but when they accept plenty of high sun shots then you would figure this wouldnt be that big of a deal, especially when its a borderline high sun, the sun was not directly overhead.
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I guess the truck isn't leading to the loco enough. It just looks like a cut off truck. I guess, to me at least, the truck is almost the same distance as the truck, not side by side but almost close enough, the balance just doesnt fit too well with me, but hey, I'm not RP staff. Either way, it's still a no go for RP at the moment, maybe work with the shadow/highlights a bit.

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Also, I want to see some of these high sun shots that got accepted that you witnessed getting in.

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I guess the truck isn't leading to the loco enough. It just looks like a cut off truck. I guess, to me at least, the truck is almost the same distance as the truck, not side by side but almost close enough, the balance just doesnt fit too well with me, but hey, I'm not RP staff. Either way, it's still a no go for RP at the moment, maybe work with the shadow/highlights a bit.

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Heres one for you on the cutoff trucks and the train is even obstructed.

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I guess the truck isn't leading to the loco enough. It just looks like a cut off truck. I guess, to me at least, the truck is almost the same distance as the truck, not side by side but almost close enough, the balance just doesnt fit too well with me, but hey, I'm not RP staff. Either way, it's still a no go for RP at the moment, maybe work with the shadow/highlights a bit.

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And another

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Also, I want to see some of these high sun shots that got accepted that you witnessed getting in.

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Sure, heres one of yours, by the shadow under the tanks, this one couldnt have been outside the high sun window. Its a good shot, but close to the same lighting, look at the shadows, they are very close, if not the same.

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Not a fan of the SP one, but they both work. We're focusing on the subject of human interest in both, so they both work pretty well. The CSX one is really nice, would have preferred less obstructing foreground on the train, but we aren't focusing on that, we're focusing on human interest.

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Sure, heres one of yours, by the shadow under the tanks, this one couldnt have been outside the high sun window. Its a good shot, but close to the same lighting, look at the shadows, they are very close, if not the same.

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Now now, haha. I would have actually put this one in the backlit category. It's not one of my favorites, just a fast grab shot. It's not great, or even good for that matter, in any way. It's borderline acceptance, obviously.

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Now now, haha. I would have actually put this one in the backlit category. It's not one of my favorites, just a fast grab shot. It's not great, or even good for that matter, in any way. It's borderline acceptance, obviously.

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I think its a really good shot, I'm obviously no pro, but I like it alot, just pointing out that the high sun thing is always questionable. I mean if the sun is directly overhead with no light on the nose or side of the train thats one thing, but in both shots there is still plenty of light on the visible side of the engines.
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I feel your pain, but I've learned very quickly here, that RP doesn't care how special or unique the situation is regarding the train or it's location. They want great photos. I don't think the cut-off truck is a deal-breaker, but it doesn't help. If anything, I would cut a little more off so you don't have half of a rear tire. Hard to compare to other shots in the DB, as often they might not make it it now either - or with a different screener. I've had a couple shots that I thought were real nice especially considering they were of a rare vintage train only to have them bounced for common cloudy day etc. all the while I see many cloudy shots of modern Amtrak etc in the DB.

For what it's worth...

Shot 1: Very cool. Love the perspective with the guy in the truck - and the truck is on tracks awaiting the train crossing in front of him.

Shot 2: Not a great shot IMO, but older shots tend to be given a lot more leniency (or is that lean to the side Jim T?) The guy watching the train pass by helps this shot a lot I think.

Shot 3: High sun, yes...but all the other elements are right on. Probably unique enough consist and solid enough technically to get passed the high sun although a different screener may have bounced it too.

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Old 06-04-2009, 11:30 PM   #15
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I feel your pain, but I've learned very quickly here, that RP doesn't care how special or unique the situation is regarding the train or it's location. They want great photos..
And there is some killer night shots that was on before yours that worked out good.
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Heres one for you on the cutoff trucks and the train is even obstructed.

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Bad example, as the composition necessitates the truck being cutoff, and I can see the entire lead locomotive and most of the second, so I don't understand how the train can be obscured.

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If there was a zero tolerance on high sun shots, thats one thing, but when they accept plenty of high sun shots then you would figure this wouldnt be that big of a deal, especially when its a borderline high sun, the sun was not directly overhead.
Despite you echoing the high-sun mantra of a certain RP critic, I do agree that the standards seem to be lower lately with regard to high-sun shots getting in. In accessing your shot, it seems that the 5644 was parked in such a way that a nice, 3/4 roster would have easily been possible an hour after sunrise, without the museum being open.

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So tell me, kml, how does everyone else's submissions or rejections matter on YOUR submission? For them, they have a trophy. You don't have a trophy. Yours as good as everyone else? That's your opinion, which you have a right to.

This is Chris and Chris' website, and their opinion differs from yours.

So improve YOUR quality. Cutting everyone else down to size is just not right. Here, it is not about leveling the playing field. Your shot is a nice try; in my opinion it's not up to par.

But even THAT doesn't matter. If they don't want to accept it, they are not going to accept it. We all here do not have a right to have photo one on here. Stop criticizing and improve your own work. And always, ALWAYS remember, don't go out and shoot to get on RP; go out and shoot to get what YOU want. Satisfy yourself first, 'cause after that, nothing else really matters.
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Here's what I don't understand. Why is it RP's fault for not accepting the Conrail shot? Why is it not the fault of the museum who evidently placed it in a spot that was not great for multiple angles and, if you're right, only opened during high sun hours? Shouldn't you be bitching about them and not RP?

The color also looks off to me in your shot and the whole thing seems to be leaning slightly to the right.

As for Ben's shot, it's not great, but it is well enough to be accepted here, as it was. Ben could proobably go re edit it some as it looks a tad over exposed to me, but other than that, I don't seee much wrong with it.
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Well, THANK GOODNESS he didn't call out these two of mine!

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Come on now! There's no need to go trolling for views on a shot that made To24 . . .

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Did someone say trolling for views?
I'm in!
Wait, unusual power?
Darn...
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Did someone say trolling for views?
I'm in!
Wait, unusual power?
Darn...
Darn here also, all I have is an SD9 in BNSF paint, otherwise, the usual suspects.

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Anyway, that was on my mind just now and since someone mentioned unusual power I had to share/dump. You may now go back to your regular programming.
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