Old 06-24-2009, 11:18 PM   #1
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Cool WOW........but....

I suspect all of us have this experience. We sort through some pix and see one that just looks GREAT and jumps out at us. A masterpiece in the making. So we run it through Photoshop or whatever program you use.....and no matter how creative we try to be the result just isn't right. What started with excitement and high expectation.....turns into a dud, or at east a question mark. Attached is a question mark kind of example. I really like this image, BUT. The lighting on the sides of the units is flat, the combination of peeling paint and large Scotchlight lettering on the second unit creates "issues, and the right side of the image is soft. So my question is this one worth trying to save. I might be able to solve some of the softness problem with a rescan. But is it worth it.
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Old 06-24-2009, 11:26 PM   #2
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I really like it. It looks very dramatic. It's something I would be very proud of.

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Yes. It is definitely worth it! I opened it in PS and when I went into Levels the histogram was telling me it was too dark. Brightening it just blew out the sides of the two lead units even more so I actually darkened it as a whole and increased the highlights +10.

After comparing yours to mine: If you darken to the point where it is on the verge of being underexposed and hit it with a bit of contrast that may help the situation.
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I never though this day would come...A John West photo might not make it into RP.

John is human after all!

(For the record, it's great idea, and everyone here knows I'm a big fan.)
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Old 06-25-2009, 01:33 AM   #5
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Hey Dennis you might be surprised at just how human I am. My files are littered with rejects. Some get in on appeal, but quite a few have never made it. Photogs and screeners don't always see things the same way. The avatar posted with this message is one of the rejects AND one of my favorite all time images. And thanks for the kind words as always.
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Please do submit! All I'd do with it is a slight highlight adjustment to lessen the glare on the first two units. After that it should be fine, not to mention you will have a favorite and PCA vote from me.
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Old 06-25-2009, 02:00 AM   #7
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Hey Dennis you might be surprised at just how human I am. My files are littered with rejects. Some get in on appeal, but quite a few have never made it. Photogs and screeners don't always see things the same way. The avatar posted with this message is one of the rejects AND one of my favorite all time images. And thanks for the kind words as always.
I LOVE your avatar!

(mumble, "cretinous RP screeners!" grumble...)
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Please do submit! All I'd do with it is a slight highlight adjustment to lessen the glare on the first two units. After that it should be fine, not to mention you will have a favorite and PCA vote from me.
Since nobody so far has said it stinks, I will probably play around with it (both your and AB2's suggestions are appreciated) and see if I can fix it to my own satisfaction at least. Then it will be up to the screeners. I initiated this thread because it is one of those pix that is just on the margin.....The lighting is so neat, BUT.....and I really needed a few other sets of eyes to help me evaluate the possibilities. Thanks.
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I've a shot of a CP branchline freight in a pretty intense snowstorm that I've edited it several times and submitted it once... rejected. CK felt it's get an SC if he screened a corrected edit. Can't get that shot to look "right" no matter what I did and gave up... for now. Sometimes, you need to walk away and forget about it until later. Fresh eyes and such.
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I've a shot of a CP branchline freight in a pretty intense snowstorm that I've edited it several times and submitted it once... rejected. CK felt it's get an SC if he screened a corrected edit. Can't get that shot to look "right" no matter what I did and gave up... for now. Sometimes, you need to walk away and forget about it until later. Fresh eyes and such.
You could always contract someone to do the editing for ya. I remember that shot and I feel the same way CK does.
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You could always contract someone to do the editing for ya. I remember that shot and I feel the same way CK does.
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Thanks AB. I'll get it right, eventually...
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My first thought when I opened the shot was "where's the train?" It kinda gets lost against the grassy backdrop imo.

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My first thought when I opened the shot was "where's the train?" It kinda gets lost against the grassy backdrop imo.
I agree, I think the lack of contrast between the train and the background hills below the sky is one of the big problems.
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Can you try darkening the background behind the train? Problem is that the engines are neutral colours.
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Hey Dennis you might be surprised at just how human I am. My files are littered with rejects. Some get in on appeal, but quite a few have never made it. Photogs and screeners don't always see things the same way. The avatar posted with this message is one of the rejects AND one of my favorite all time images. And thanks for the kind words as always.
That image is stunning, anyone given the duty of screening photos that would have rejected that should find a new line of work (or hobby).
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That image is stunning, anyone given the duty of screening photos that would have rejected that should find a new line of work (or hobby).
In fairness to the screeners, there were some legit technical and compositional issues, and it was back in a time when RP was more focused on wedgies and such. RP has come a long way since then. I have been posting here for over three years, and occasionally stuff that was rejected long ago (usually for being back lit or bad motive) gets accepted today.

BUT I DO HAVE A GRIPE! The real issue now I have with the screeners is they seem to have fogtten the challenges associated with shooting film. Digital has made photography a whole lot more idiot proof. Film had grain (noise), dynamic range was far more limited (shadow detail), and shooting at ISO 25 provided a lot less depth of field and slower shutter speeds (sharpness). It creates a higher hurdle for the film shooter when you hold a film image up to the same standards as a good quality digital image. Film could be just as good or better, but not all the time.

This probably should be the subject of another thread, but what the heck.
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