Old 06-08-2014, 06:29 PM   #1
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Default FYI - rp is cracking down on outside links but hasn't told us

So I have always posted a link in my rp shots to my flickr site. I believe this is against official rp rules but has been tolerated. Well, not anymore. If you click on my photo below, you'll see that the link is messed up, part rp, part flickr.

Ohters, be warned. Now I have 396 photos to edit, if I care enough.

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Old 06-08-2014, 06:40 PM   #2
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Old 06-08-2014, 06:57 PM   #3
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huh, this one still works.

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I have had photos rejected for including Flickr links...
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I have had photos rejected for including Flickr links...
Every single one of mine had one.... past tense.
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I don't believe this is anything new. I thought we were told about this before. NS, of course, is an exception.

On the other hand, I know what the URL for Flickr. is.
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So you are linking your flickr shots to railpictures or vice versa? Or you have a link on your flickr page to your railpictures collection?

What exactly are you trying to accomplish here?

Unless you are using RP's bandwidth somehow by hotlinking photos elsewhere, I dont know why they would care... but I dont understand what you are trying to accomplish.
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It's no worse than a site like Trainorders... and that's a pay for access site.

They won't let you link to any other site that they view as competition for link backs. It is interesting though, I don't notice that type of policy on other hobbyist oriented websites that I've dealt with.

Railfan websites for some reason seem to try and lure in as many people as they can and then discourage their being drawn to other websites.
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It's no worse than a site like Trainorders... and that's a pay for access site.

They won't let you link to any other site that they view as competition for link backs. It is interesting though, I don't notice that type of policy on other hobbyist oriented websites that I've dealt with.

Railfan websites for some reason seem to try and lure in as many people as they can and then discourage their being drawn to other websites.
Hey, dont know if you are aware of this or not: http://nightstalkerphotoworks.com/blog/sean-hoyden/

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So you are linking your flickr shots to railpictures or vice versa? Or you have a link on your flickr page to your railpictures collection?

What exactly are you trying to accomplish here?

Unless you are using RP's bandwidth somehow by hotlinking photos elsewhere, I dont know why they would care... but I dont understand what you are trying to accomplish.
All my rp shots had a link saying if you want to see more of my shots, go to flickr. I.e. I have 396 shots on rp, but nearly 6,000 on flickr. I'm giving people who see my rp shots a chance to see my 'not acceptable on rp' type of shots. Nothing more, nothing less.
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I don't believe this is anything new. I thought we were told about this before. NS, of course, is an exception.

On the other hand, I know what the URL for Flickr. is.
Like I said in my OP, yes, this is past policy, definitely not new, I'm just letting everyone know that this policy is now being enforced very rigidly.
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I went to test outside links on the profiles of various photographers, and some of them had the odd broken half-RP url. Several others simply didn't work, and gave a "RP Page Not Found" message.
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Hey, dont know if you are aware of this or not: http://nightstalkerphotoworks.com/blog/sean-hoyden/
Yeah, that's why most of my stuff is on FLICKR now.

The guy who does the design on my site is too slow to respond, so I fired his ass.

Although now that I've finished my degree (this past weekend) I may have a little more time and interest in trying to resurrect NSPW.

The thing is, I really enjoy writing the narratives and explanations of how I set up my night shots; maybe as much as I do executing them. FLICKR doesn't give me that venue, but I'm exploring options to continue doing so.
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All my rp shots had a link saying if you want to see more of my shots, go to flickr. I.e. I have 396 shots on rp, but nearly 6,000 on flickr. I'm giving people who see my rp shots a chance to see my 'not acceptable on rp' type of shots. Nothing more, nothing less.
Oh, ok, I see. So they removed the link to your flickr photostream you had linked in your photos caption?
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Oh, ok, I see. So they removed the link to your flickr photostream you had linked in your photos caption?
They set it up so that the link does not work basically.

It shows up as http://www.railpictures.net/photos/mtlwestrailfan/, which is the rp domain and my flickr handle mashed together.
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The linking issue you state might just be a quirk with the system - other links still work - both back to the site as well as off site (fortunately). Hopefully, this is not a detrimental decision by admin specific to FLCKR.

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It's no worse than a site like Trainorders... and that's a pay for access site.

They won't let you link to any other site that they view as competition for link backs.
From TO's:

People tend to use the forums to push traffic to their Youtube, Railpicture, etc channel. Trainorders was not intended to be used a self promotional tool.

These other web sites make their revenue through advertising. The pictures sites bombard you with flashy ads, while Youtube will display video advertisements. Trainorders is an ad free environment and I intend to keep it that way.


Links to sites other then RP and YouTube are still allowed and occur often.

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The linking issue you state might just be a quirk with the system - other links still work - either back to the site as well as off site (fortunately). Hopefully, this is not a detrimental decision by admin specific to FLCKR. T
To be seen - a reply from an admin would of course be helpful. I thought the problem was at my end and I kept trying to fix the code, but the problem is rp blocking it. I actually found out that my link didn't work because I got an rp.net members contact email today telling me that a link on a shot I uploaded today was dead.
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The linking issue you state might just be a quirk with the system - other links still work - both back to the site as well as off site (fortunately). Hopefully, this is not a detrimental decision by admin specific to FLCKR.

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Links to sites other then RP and YouTube are still allowed and occur often.

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I enjoy how Todd says it was not intended to be a self-promotional tool. But he lets people link to their own sites, myself included... Is that not "self-promoting"?

How is that different from what RP or YouTube users are doing?

I still think it's the "get your fingers out of my pie!" Attitude.
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I enjoy how Todd says it was not intended to be a self-promotional tool. But he lets people link to their own sites, myself included... Is that not "self-promoting"?

How is that different from what RP or YouTube users are doing?
I think it's the difference between including a link to further understanding of a topic vs adding a link for the sole purpose of campaigning one's work.

Look here to better understand vs look here to up my views (and potentially, my profits).



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I still think it's the "get your fingers out of my pie!" Attitude.
And yet the link to your site you state IS allowed so....

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The linking issue you state might just be a quirk with the system - other links still work - both back to the site as well as off site (fortunately). Hopefully, this is not a detrimental decision by admin specific to FLCKR.

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Links to sites other then RP and YouTube are still allowed and occur often.

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It is 2014, burying your head in the sand and pretending something else doesn't exist simply sucks.

I was a member of TO since 97, I recently let my subscription lapse and have no intention of paying for it ever again. If I want shenanigans or updates on peoples cats i can go elsewhere for free. And the incessant horrible photos with people screaming GR8 SHOTS!!!!!! just drives me nuts.
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I think it's the difference between including a link to further understanding of a topic vs adding a link for the sole purpose of campaigning one's work.

Look here to better understand vs look here to up my views (and potentially, my profits).





And yet the link to your site you state IS allowed so....

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You'll notice that I indicated that they restrict linking to sites that could be perceived as "competition" for traffic. I'm sure Todd, nor the guys here at RP.net have any delusions that NSPW, my FLICKR page or that of any other individual could begin to compete with what they've got going.

There is nothing to fear in letting someone link to a FLICKR page or personal website that goes for RP, TO, and all the other mainstream railfan social media groups. There's only one reason a site owner would actively try to subvert a person to link to their off-site portfolios...

Eventually, there will be someone that will step up and create competition for RP.net, TrainOrders, and the others. Someone that will step up and offer the things to users/contributors that these websites are reluctant to do in the absence of said competition. We should all be looking anxiously to that day because it will mean nothing but good things for photographers.
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It is 2014, burying your head in the sand and pretending something else doesn't exist simply sucks.

I was a member of TO since 97, I recently let my subscription lapse and have no intention of paying for it ever again. If I want shenanigans or updates on peoples cats i can go elsewhere for free.
Good for you... there's more ego there, and that's saying something

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Well, to be fair, no one goes there for photos (or videos for that matter). I think that goes without saying. But the ass kissing over there when people do post shots is funny.

What turns me off is the good old boy network, and arbitrary moderation of topics and posts that goes on. I was on there in '98 or so and was banned not long after it went "pay". I dont know how/why people pay for that.

Although, some of the anti-UP steam program posts are entertaining. It's obvious that the site and it's staff have some serious axes to grind. And it's ok to throw darts at certain people/topics, but not others...
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The Ed Dicken's stuff is incredibly comical, amazing they let it go on like they do. I woudl have banned the instigators long ago.
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I loved Trainorders. In 1999.
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I have had photos rejected for including Flickr links...
After you had it happen the first time, why would you do it again? Just edit your comment to include the link after the photo has been accepted.
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