Old 02-05-2008, 03:42 AM   #1
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I've been looking up locomotive info for some of my shots that I plan to submit to RP and have some questions as to what the information means. Here are a couple examples...

GMD-62, GMD-SD60F
GMD-16, GP40-2LW

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Old 02-05-2008, 03:49 AM   #2
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SD60F is an EMD locomotive model from the late 1980s/early 1990s. It was only sold in Canada I believe. GMD is the Canadian branch of EMD.

GP40-2LW is also a Canadian only model, based on the GP40-2, but with a lighter frame and a wide cab.
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SD60F is an EMD locomotive model from the late 1980s/early 1990s. It was only sold in Canada I believe. GMD is the Canadian branch of EMD.

GP40-2LW is also a Canadian only model, based on the GP40-2, but with a lighter frame and a wide cab.

While GP40-2LW is used a lot in the railfan world, this was never a designation used by the railroad nor GMD. The early units were called GP40-2 by GMD with GP40-2L being adopted. GP40-2L would be the appropriate designation for any of these units, but the W suffix was never applied to this model.

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There is another Skywalker...

There is a GP 40-2L and a GP40-2W. They are different. IIRC CN's GP40-2L's were numbered 9400-9632 (233 units), and the remaining fleet were GP40-2W's numbered 9633-9666 (34 units). GO Transit had 11 GP40-2W's, and 10 of them were sold to CN and became CN numbers 9667-9676. The GP40-2L is not only lighter than a regular GP40-2, but also taller (5" IIRC). This is on account of the lightweight frame's "I" beams being taller so something like that (I can't recall all the details).

I am certain that the GP40-2L was in fact designated that way, as it was a lightweight locomotive. The GP40-2W was likely designated as a GP40-2, but at some point the W was added. But the M420W was officially an M420W, so who knows...

Regardless, calling a GP40-2L a GP40-2W (or a GP40-2W a GP40-2L) is incorrect. Besides the wide nose, there is the lightweight distinction that differentiates them... in the same way an SDL39 is not just an SD39.

CN was always big on locomotives that were light on their feet, from the GMD1, RSC13's and RSC14's to their lightweight Northern steamers.
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And another thing, don't call'em EMD's. Until La Grange's production was moved to London, all diesels built in London, Ontario, are GMD's! EMD never built an SD50F or and SD60F, GMD did. Some of BN's SD40-2 are GMD as they were built in London when La Grange was overbooked. Likewise, some of CP's SD40-2's are EMD as La Grange built them when London was overbooked.

This annoys me. I've two shots of a CP GP38-2 that was built in London by GMD in the early 80's, and someone "corrected" my shot to read EMD. Now, after two attempt on my part to have the"correction" corected, RP.net will not change it back.

An M636 is an MLW, not al ALCO, so why do so many refer to GMD's as EMD's?!
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Simply because it's easier. Pretty late model Montreal Locomotive Works engines are referred to as ALCOs by many... and I'm yet to ever hear of those Canadian Locomotive Works units up in Calgary being referred to as such (everyone calls them Fairbanks Morse).
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Simply because it's easier. Pretty late model Montreal Locomotive Works engines are referred to as ALCOs by many... and I'm yet to ever hear of those Canadian Locomotive Works units up in Calgary being referred to as such (everyone calls them Fairbanks Morse).
Being easier does not make it right. Calling an SD40-2 an SD40 is easier, too, but it's wrong. We should always strive to be correct with this information, there is enough bad info out there.

Yeah, we call them BIG ALCO's, but we note them as MLW. And we call'em CLC's (for Canadian Locomotive Company) up here in Bonerland, not FM's. Trust me, Canadians don't call them FM's... Don Cherry would come looking for us
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