Old 02-04-2011, 12:27 PM   #51
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It has been done before with "non-railroad related items."

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I wonder if that locomotive tipped over.
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I think the major difference is that, in the case of Steve's photo, the item was already there as an organic part of the scene. Likewise, when it comes to people on station platforms, they're a natural part of the railroad scene, and thus an appropriate subject. Posing action figures and making them the main focus of the picture doesn't, to me, fit in the same vein. Now, having said that, I'm not sure about models being posed in a railroad setting being quite kosher either, unless as with a photo charter the goal is to recreate a railroad scene, as opposed to say putting a gal in a bikini on a luggage cart at the local Amtrak station (though I may have to try that ).

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It's unlevel when I do it, it's artistic when he does it..

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It's unlevel when I do it, it's artistic when he does it..

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This photo works being unlevel. Why? Because the doll head is the main subject and he is trying to present that in a way that it looks good. The loco is just there as color filler.
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You didn't answer the question.

What is the difference if the person in the photo next to the train is a real person or an action figure.

Why does it make a difference?
Because people make a connection with other people, but most people do not make an emotional connection to colored plastic toys.

What you are doing might be a cool photography project but will not fly on RP very well.
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I think the major difference is that, in the case of Steve's photo, the item was already there as an organic part of the scene. Likewise, when it comes to people on station platforms, they're a natural part of the railroad scene, and thus an appropriate subject. Posing action figures and making them the main focus of the picture doesn't, to me, fit in the same vein. Now, having said that, I'm not sure about models being posed in a railroad setting being quite kosher either, unless as with a photo charter the goal is to recreate a railroad scene, as opposed to say putting a gal in a bikini on a luggage cart at the local Amtrak station (though I may have to try that ). Jon
I would agree, and your points are well taken.

I think you did a very good job of teasing out the issues and providing an explanation of your opinion on each point that was brought up.

This was the type of discussion I was hoping to engage in regarding this subject.


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Because people make a connection with other people, but most people do not make an emotional connection to colored plastic toys.
Were you to rephrase this sentence as follows, I would agree with you.

"Because people make a connection with other people, but most people "viewing Rail Pictures" do not make an emotional connection to colored plastic toys."


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What you are doing might be a cool photography project but will not fly on RP very well.
That seems to be the logical conclusion at this point in time.

I wonder if it will always be that way?
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Were you to rephrase this sentence as follows, I would agree with you.

"Because people make a connection with other people, but most people "viewing Rail Pictures" do not make an emotional connection to colored plastic toys."
I think Travis is correct. I found the topic of this thread of no interest precisely for this reason and so did not engage. The photography of trackside posed toys is a niche and a very narrow one at that and I am surprised that you disagree with Travis, above. Where are these non-RP viewing "most people"?

I suspect that, at best, you will get someone who has a specific connection, of some strength or weakness, and will notice the image, but the attention will be fleeting and the impact minimal. I guess I don't see it as having any impact as art, at best a triviality.
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You really think that the people viewing RP are "most people"?
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You really think that the people viewing RP are "most people"?
I think you may have read that wrong. He is saying that RP's audience doesn't seem to have a emotional connection to action figures but it seems he is leaping to the conclusion that the majority of everyone else will have a connection with the figures.
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I think you may have read that wrong.
No, I don't think he got that wrong.

What I find interesting about human nature is that most people lack the ability to visualize any argument from both perspectives.

They merely consider "their" side of the issue and react accordingly.

This why the discrimination against minority views is such a hot button issue.

If people could just accept that others are entitled to a different opinion, and accept the fact that a differing opinion is not a threat to whatever it is they believe in, then the world could be a much happier place.

Course who are we kidding......

That ain't never going to happen.

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He is saying that RP's audience doesn't seem to have a emotional connection to action figures but it seems he is leaping to the conclusion that the majority of everyone else will have a connection with the figures.
First of all, "I" am not saying that at all.

We won't know until the screeners allow one of these images on the Site.

If it gets 150 views in 24 hours then you will be right since you can see what it is from the thumbnail.

If it gets TO 24, or TO last week then that would be evidence of a desire to look at images from such a genre.

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As to the other assertion that "very few people" in the county "like action figures," that is just preposterous.

The proof on that issue is why are there so many available for purchase?

You know more people in the U.S. like Star Wars, then like trains.

Don't believe me, then go to any toy store and see how much of the retail space is devoted to trains vs. Star Wars.

Further, I suggest you go to a comic book convention sometime, or a Star Trek convention so that you can see first hand at how small the railfan community really is.

These people spend big bucks on this stuff and sure they are geeks, but no more than your average railfan.

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Yes, many collect figures but I don't think that many want to see a dirt bike rider toy in a photography with a train. I am not criticizing you.
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Yes, many collect figures but I don't think that many want to see a dirt bike rider toy in a photography with a train.
You never know what people will want to see.

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This photo works being unlevel. Why? Because the doll head is the main subject and he is trying to present that in a way that it looks good. The loco is just there as color filler.
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This photo I am not a fan of it being unlevel. I think it detracts much more then it adds.

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The world through my eyes is level, no matter what angle I look at it from. Regardless of how artistic people try to say it is, it's still just a gimmicky genre that I don't care for.
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I had no idea this would be a PCA and look.

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I'll take your tongue sticking out as a sign that you know the PCA award was rigged.
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I'll take your tongue sticking out as a sign that you know the PCA award was rigged.
True, but only the five people on this forum know that.

To the rest of the Rail Community it is a PCA.


Disclaimer: Once again please note that this has nothing to do with Mr. Walker. It is all about what is acceptable, and not acceptable material for Rail Pictures.

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The world through my eyes is level, no matter what angle I look at it from. Regardless of how artistic people try to say it is, it's still just a gimmicky genre that I don't care for.
Im not a fan of Picasso either.
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You summed up a lot in those 7 words about people.
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I don't like coffee, either.
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