Old 06-10-2020, 04:24 PM   #1
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Am I the only one to see a slight foreground clutter here ???
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Old 06-10-2020, 07:45 PM   #2
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I do see it. I also see no way around it. Not exactly a populous shot here either so that may be why it got a pass. It's still there in Downtown Deer Lodge if anyone wants to take a stab at it. There's a cute little signal and realistic catenary up by it now too. Maybe a drone from 250' agl is the ticket..

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I would not even dare to think submitting such a "daube" (French word). But even if I would submit a similar picture with a European electric engine behind the fence, it would certainly be rejected (and that would be fully justified). Pro-US bias? Not at all, I swear it!

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I would not even dare to think submitting such a "daube" (French word).
Unfortunately there's quite a few choo choo shooters who are quite content to produce "daube" and proclaim it as "le meilleur".

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Unfortunately there's quite a few choo choo shooters who are quite content to produce "daube" and proclaim it as "le meilleur".

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Actually, I was rather hoping the Jean-Marc would translate, but feel free, Loyd, to take a stab at it, for this Merlin sh*tkicker with sub-par edumacation. The GoogleMachine wasn't much help, as it translates the French "daube" to the English "stew".
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Actually, I was rather hoping the Jean-Marc would translate, but feel free, Loyd, to take a stab at it, for this Merlin sh*tkicker with sub-par edumacation. The GoogleMachine wasn't much help, as it translates the French "daube" to the English "stew".
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Google daube french slang - "daube. (slang) crap; crappiness."

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Just an observation, and that's all it is.....

The photographers (including the one most recently cited) who are often used as examples of favoritism toward US contributors all appear to have some other things in common. Most of them have been contributing "forever" here, they have been responsible for millions of views on this site......and we never see them complaining about their rejections here.

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Just an observation, and that's all it is.....

The photographers (including the one most recently cited) who are often used as examples of favoritism toward US contributors all appear to have some other things in common. Most of them have been contributing "forever" here, they have been responsible for millions of views on this site......and we never see them complaining about their rejections here.

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Hi Kevin,

My recent comment on the foreground clutter makes absolutely no reference to favoritism towards American contributors. I deeply respect the photographer cited in this specific case, as I respect all the other photographers who contribute to this site. My comment would have been exactly the same if the photo had been taken in a country other than the US. I do not complain about my rejections either, but I just wanted to point out how the selection criterias on the part of screeners concerning the foreground clutter are very variable and inconsistent.

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Actually, I was rather hoping the Jean-Marc would translate, but feel free, Loyd, to take a stab at it, for this Merlin sh*tkicker with sub-par edumacation. The GoogleMachine wasn't much help, as it translates the French "daube" to the English "stew".
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Crap or garbage along with stew. Now I'm hungry, and I won't say which of those three that made me that way.

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Crap or garbage along with stew. Now I'm hungry, and I won't say which of those three that made me that way.

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Am I the only one to see a slight foreground clutter here ???
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And you will get three for the price of one ................
And this one was recently rejected for ................. FOREGROUND CLUTTER
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No worries, the appreciation of foreground clutter is very variable. See this one: https://www.railpictures.net/photo/738910/
Just another lottery...
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No worries, the appreciation of foreground clutter is very variable. See this one: https://www.railpictures.net/photo/738910/
Just another lottery...
It is certainly a lottery, but in the lottery, you have a small chance of winning from time to time, whereas in this case ...... I am always a loser!
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Back to the Little Joe, one to document the display, fine with that, very popular subject.

I like my Joe's at Deer Lodge little dusty.

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Back to the Little Joe, one to document the display, fine with that, very popular subject.

I like my Joe's at Deer Lodge little dusty.

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I like that as well.

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I got done for foreground clutter this week as well.
https://www.railpictures.net/viewrej...80&key=9826623
Of course I don't see the problem
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I got done for foreground clutter this week as well.
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Of course I don't see the problem
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Looking very closely, I can see a blade of grass hiding the third axle of the second bogie of the first locomotive. Very nice picture by the way!

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I got done for foreground clutter this week as well.
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Of course I don't see the problem
I don't see or really understand the foreground clutter on it. By my eyes, it seems a tighter crop is more appealing though?

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I got done for foreground clutter this week as well.
https://www.railpictures.net/viewrej...80&key=9826623
Of course I don't see the problem
Maybe a little too much sky, but I see no clutter to warrant a rejection. IMO a very nice photograph.
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https://www.railpictures.net/viewrej...80&key=9826623
Of course I don't see the problem
I assume it's because the trucks on the locos are slightly hidden by the hill compared to the cars at right. I agree that a bit tighter crop may help, and perhaps even are earlier frame, though this might mean losing the structures at left. The lighting would certainly make up for that in my opinion though.
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I assume it's because the trucks on the locos are slightly hidden by the hill compared to the cars at right. I agree that a bit tighter crop may help, and perhaps even are earlier frame, though this might mean losing the structures at left. The lighting would certainly make up for that in my opinion though.
I agree regarding the reason, but due to the distance from the train, it is hardly noticeable and does not detract from the photo. FWIW, I had a "newsworthy" photo rejected for the same reason two weeks ago:

https://www.railpictures.net/viewrej...63&key=2013565

The tree couldn't be seen until I processed the photo. I just said screw it and posted it on Flickr.
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The tree couldn't be seen until I processed the photo. I just said screw it and posted it on Flickr.
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FWIW, I had a "newsworthy" photo rejected for the same reason two weeks ago:

https://www.railpictures.net/viewrej...63&key=2013565

The tree couldn't be seen until I processed the photo. I just said screw it and posted it on Flickr.
I always carry one of these HOYA tree-eliminating filters in the camera bag. I think I got mine from B&H.
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A big thank you for everyone's comments and advice, always very useful. Rejigged a slightly different frame and the shot was accepted. One can never stop learning.
https://www.railpictures.net/photo/739440
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