Old 09-14-2006, 05:56 PM   #1
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Leaking Car spotted on BNSF Staples Sub Division on a NS train.
Full report written by MN Chris in Northern Minnesota Rail Message #3873 - Wednesday, September 13, 2006

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MN Chris (railtalk), Northern Minnesota Rail (list owner) wrote:

"About three-quarters of the way through the train there was a hopper
car that hadn't been shut all the way and they were loosing their
load big time. There was a huge cloud of dust from the car. The
car was making the following cars look white. John quickly grabbed
these shots… these pictures don't do justice to the size of the
cloud it was making.

After he passed, John called the BNSF CRS line and notified them of
the problem. I talked to Mike and he said that a passing train was
told to watch the NS train for a leaking car. They didn't find
anything, probably because the car was already empty by the time
they met. There was a steady stream and blanket of whatever the
load was."


As the Remarks in the photo (above) state, this train had a leaking car about 3/4 of the way through. First thought was "hot box".







A railfan I know was with me at the time, and we debated calling the BNSF Citizens for Rail Security Hotline (we are both members). I did end up making the call (as the photo remarks state).

Later on a railfan heard another train on the radio given orders to look for this in the train but by then it had stopped leaking as they couldn't find this problem. The car must have been empty already.

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Old 09-14-2006, 06:52 PM   #2
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Leaking Car spotted on BNSF Staples Sub Division on a NS train.
Full report written by MN Chris in Northern Minnesota Rail Message #3873 - Wednesday, September 13, 2006

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As the Remarks in the photo (above) state, this train had a leaking car about 3/4 of the way through. First thought was "hot box".







A railfan I know was with me at the time, and we debated calling the BNSF Citizens for Rail Security Hotline (we are both members). I did end up making the call (as the photo remarks state).

Later on a railfan heard another train on the radio given orders to look for this in the train but by then it had stopped leaking as they couldn't find this problem. The car must have been empty already.
Yeah i seen something like this on the csx line coming from brooks,ky going towards louisville,ky and we reported it and they stopped the train but never did nothing about.
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So if it was an open hatch which was the cause of this "leak," would the railroad or company that loaded it be responsible?
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So if it was an open hatch which was the cause of this "leak," would the railroad or company that loaded it be responsible?
I dont think so cause i thank that is one of the bad things of shiping thru rail is if something happened to it then the rr is not responsible BUT im not for sure thats just what i heard
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I dont think so cause i thank that is one of the bad things of shiping thru rail is if something happened to it then the rr is not responsible BUT im not for sure thats just what i heard
I could not understand your sentence, but I think you meant... I actually don't have a clue.

I suppose FedEx doesn't need to ensure that each box is sealed tight, but they do need the sender to declare what the box contains. It would be near impossible - if not completely - to inspect every car, hatch and door on every train. Not being a shipper, there must be something in the small print on the bill of lading.
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So if it was an open hatch which was the cause of this "leak," would the railroad or company that loaded it be responsible?
Depending on the fine print, as you have also stated, it could fall back on either party. The railroad could be held repsonsible for not maintaining their equipment, as it is a BNSF car that is leaking. On the other hand, a shipper could be held responsible for not rejecting the car if it had a mechanical defect. This is also assuming the car was delivered as such. Like you have said, this sort of thing is probably taken care of before the car is even loaded.
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The railroads are held responsible for the safe shipment of everything it carries.

In my opinion this was probably done by vandals after the car left the industry. I am suprised that this wasnt spotted on the crews first roll by.
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Any ideas on what this substance could be? I was thinking flour or some other dry good like that.
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Any ideas on what this substance could be? I was thinking flour or some other dry good like that.
I think it is potash.
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Good thing it wasn't an LP or ethanol tanker!
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Any ideas on what this substance could be? I was thinking flour or some other dry good like that.
As long as it's not that "volatile" stearic acid, you don't have to worry about it.
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The railroads are held responsible for the safe shipment of everything it carries.

In my opinion this was probably done by vandals after the car left the industry. I am suprised that this wasnt spotted on the crews first roll by.
Ohhh ok tag i just heard that they are not responseible but i didnt know 100 % sure
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As long as it's not that "volatile" stearic acid, you don't have to worry about it.
Or anhydrous amonia, clorine, or phosgene to name a few.
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Or anhydrous amonia, clorine, or phosgene to name a few.
I was not worried about that so much, what I am now more worried about is that BNSF may be thinking I was pulling a prank call since the passing train they informed could not see this. I gave them my cell phone number and Citizens For Rail Security I.D. number (which they had on record anyway).
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I was not worried about that so much, what I am now more worried about is that BNSF may be thinking I was pulling a prank call since the passing train they informed could not see this. I gave them my cell phone number and Citizens For Rail Security I.D. number (which they had on record anyway).
I would not worry about it for a second.

Kind of makes me all warm and fuzzy knowing my brothers in BNSF cant spot a car loosing its load on a roll by. Im going to get a highball on a roll by from a BNSF crew meanwhile Im draging a boxcar sideways.
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Standing next to John when the photos were taken, the photos don't show exactly how much of this load was dumping. There was a huge cloud of dust around the car. It wasn't really a leak, more of a dump.
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Do they ship Anthrax by rail? You guys are feeling okay, right?
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Do they ship Anthrax by rail? You guys are feeling okay, right?
LOL!!!!!!

I feel I right. I think. Just a little burned out from a very busy week of school...
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Do they ship Anthrax by rail? You guys are feeling okay, right?

I was sick for a few days after our trip, but that was from being exposed to freezing temperatures for several hours.
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I was sick for a few days after our trip, but that was from being exposed to freezing temperatures for several hours.
Freezing? It's +83°F down here.
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A case like that usually is a bad order gate at the industry. Sometimes they will load the car, sometimes they wont. And it might not leak at the industry, but as soon as the car gets shaken around it starts to leak. I have seen it many a times already with potash/grain/oats already. Its not hazardous so they will just let it go and the compartment that is leaking, if it drains oh well ... the RR pays for 1/3 or 1/4 of that hopper depending what kind it is.

There are spots on the main line that are streaked with grain and potash cause they just drain.
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