Old 10-08-2007, 04:13 PM   #1
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Is this really a bad angle?
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Old 10-08-2007, 04:16 PM   #2
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Wedgie-wise, no. Perhaps they bit off on this part of the rejection though:

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This can include...images in which the train is going away from the viewer.
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Old 10-08-2007, 04:30 PM   #3
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But the train is coming towards me.
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Old 10-08-2007, 06:06 PM   #4
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I wonder if the screener knew that. I assumed that it was a shot of the cab car but the screener might not have.
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Old 10-08-2007, 06:21 PM   #5
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I wonder if the screener knew that.
I automatically thought it was a going away shot too!

if you didn't tell the screener it was running push-pull and coming towards you, I'd appeal and then tell them. It looks to be a pretty decent shot to me otherwise.

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Perhaps the screener was distracted by a bit of reflection in the left marker light, making it seem as though it might be on. But since the headlights are on, it certainly looked like push-pull to me. Anyway, an appeal seems like the reasonable thing - don't forget to explain the situation rather than just submitting an appeal leaving the comment area blank.
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Old 10-08-2007, 08:07 PM   #7
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Old 10-08-2007, 08:18 PM   #8
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Amongst other things, the "bad angle" I'm wondering could be just because the darned thing seems so disproportionate. To me the cab car looks much taller than it should for that angle, almost as if the lens was focused as shallow as it could possibly go, and the wider angle subtly stretched the image vertically.

Beyond that, I think maybe the train is just too close which further lends itself to the odd vertical proportions.

BTW, where are you standing? Looks a little close, and I don't see as much distortion on the photo periphery as I'd expect for a telephoto lens. I know the distortion can be cropped off, but that's pretty darn good depth of field for a tele.

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And I just noticed the shadows casted to the right of the diaphragm, that speaks more to the bad angle than anything else.

In my mind, a photo of a cab car probably should have the sun almost directly on the "nose" (face?) with minimal shadows.
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Old 10-08-2007, 10:15 PM   #10
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I am standing right under the bridge and pretty close to main 1.

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I was standing right behind the switch box.

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you can see better when I was standing. you can see the pipe from the switch box
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Old 10-09-2007, 01:22 AM   #11
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appeal rejected!
I wouldn't lose sleep over it, FWIW I like the shot.

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Old 10-09-2007, 01:30 AM   #12
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appeal rejected!
I agree with the comment about the shadow on the car. If this shot is going to be accepted, it needs to have perfect light on the subject. This one does not (quite) have this, so it gets the boot. Also, it could be my screen, but it looks a bit underexposed to me. Plus, the track on the left in the foreground isn't the blurriest thing I've ever seen, but it's enough to bother my eyes. The blurryness is most noticeable in the ties closest to the edge of the frame.
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Old 10-09-2007, 02:45 AM   #13
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I wonder if the screener knew that. I assumed that it was a shot of the cab car but the screener might not have.
I think it's obvious which way it's going, just look at the lights! if it was going away from the viewer they would be red.

makes you wonder how much the screeners look before they press the reject
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The train is definitely coming toward the photographer. The engineer is visible in the cab and the lights are on. Red marker lights would be on if it were going away.
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yup, agree with MLG, don't lose sleep over it
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Old 10-09-2007, 04:06 AM   #16
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Red marker lights would be on if it were going away.
Yeah just for fun and to confuse people I have seen cab cars with all sets of lights on (headlights and taillights/markers) while traveling toward me. Not sure actually why but in this case yes the headlights are on and yes the engineer is there.

So it defiantly is traveling toward you. I also like the shot but these things happen and it seems you have plenty of other great shots from that location so I wouldn't be too disappointed.

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Yeah, it's not like a Metra cab car shot is a rare move to capture on film (or digital sensor)...
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I won't loose sleep over it. Thanks for the help everyone. And thanks for the comments. I already have alot of pictures on railpictures.net, so I don't think 1 picture should ruin me. (even if I do think it is good. )
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I've never tried submitting any of my shots of cab control cars. Guess I won't start now.
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I've never tried submitting any of my shots of cab control cars. Guess I won't start now.
Why not?

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So it defiantly is traveling toward you....

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What makes you think this train was defiant? Did it have an angry look on its face?




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What makes you think this train was defiant? Did it have an angry look on its face?
Haha so yea that is the last time I use spell check... I mean my spelling is bad but at least I pick the right word.

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Looks like a damn good angle to me.
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It would appear that F/4.5 or F/5.6 has been used, thus resulting in a shallow depth of field which I find distracting. Could the image be re-captured using F/8 for a greater depth of field?
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Well, I would say NO !
Rejection here seems more a case of feeling & taste.
Technically the picture is really OK. - But these cab's are unfortunately not so appealing from their appearence. - There isn't so much variety in the picture since the tight cropping, and for the first impression: it really looks as if its going away from the viewer (I saw that engineer !!) and this makes the shot being less interresting!

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