Old 06-13-2012, 11:42 AM   #1
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Old 06-13-2012, 11:44 AM   #2
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Woah! Look at the lead engine... the river is also noisy, especially the leftmost part.

I suppose they gave you multiple "Undersharpened" rejects, and now this?
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Old 06-13-2012, 11:45 AM   #3
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Lots of noise in the water and especially on the lead loco. Something funky is going on. f9, 1/1000 and ISO 400? How'd you arrive at that setting?
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Old 06-13-2012, 11:47 AM   #4
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Hi J,

I do see it, even on my stone-age Trinitron CRT. I can see it on the locomotives and in the water to the left of the reflection. Not sure why, because it looks like you took it in pretty good light. Did you have the ISO cranked up? Is the photo heavily cropped? This isn't normally the scenario where one would see a lot of noise.
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woah, show us the original. something looks funky with the lead loco in particular.
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Looks like the tree in the lower right corner was the focus point.

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Well, a bunch of things have conspired against me. As I made all the relevant choices, however, that is merely phrasing to deny that I mucked it up. First, I shot ISO 400 because I wanted my shutter speed up as I was standing on unsteady river debris by the shore. But in retrospect I could have done ISO 200 and 1/500 would have been fine. It also occurs to me now that a monopod would have done be a lot of good, as it was I used a stick to help maneuver my way into position. Second, I wasn't sure what to do with the composition, so I went very wide, plus I just wanted to capture the scene. On the computer, I didn't like what I saw, so this is a significant crop, with significant loss of pixels and IQ. Yeah, that lead engine looks a bit funky. And yes, I have been struggling between sharpening and noise.

I may just have to reshoot, but I will try a fresh go at it before I give up. The spot is over 45 min away and I don't care to go back down there; it isn't such a nice spot, to me, that I want to spend a bunch of time improving it. When I go down there again there is another spot that I want to work on, and also Neabsco marina is down that way and I want to spend more time there.
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Old 06-13-2012, 04:39 PM   #8
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Why didn't you just shoot the bridge from a nice stable boat dock right down from where you were?

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private marina, gated That was my intended destination!

at low tide, or with boots, I might be OK. Have to learn the spot.
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Can you get on the other side of the river to avoid the "going-away" aspect?
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I can't get to the other side to my knowledge, neither can I get to seeing the point at which an approaching train would come out of the girders to the right of the scene. On the map I see a place further away from the bridge where I might get more of a perpendicular view, but who knows if that is really accessible (not mentioned on Frograil, for example) and whether there is sufficient foreground interest for my style of composition.

The going-away aspect bothers me less, in general, than it bothers many people, I think. For RP purposes, it depends on the screener, of course, not on me.

A kayak could be easily launched from the point where I took the shot. I've always had it in the back of my mind that I might dabble in kayak-based shots. One limitation is that I do not own a kayak. Almost bought one a decade ago, ended up with other interests.
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Old 06-14-2012, 01:39 AM   #12
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Well, if you're ok with the going away shot on a bridge, then it might help to get someone fishing in the foreground.

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Well, there was a dead catfish right at my feet. Let's just say that if RP did scratch 'n sniff photos, there would be a lot of unhappiness among viewers.
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Old 06-14-2012, 02:46 AM   #14
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ISO 100 and 1/320 would stop pretty much any motion you could produce.

That whole image is just crazy grainy.
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Here we go, everyone, please; redone from scratch including looser crop, noise again, cant' see it.

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Well, there was a dead catfish right at my feet. Let's just say that if RP did scratch 'n sniff photos, there would be a lot of unhappiness among viewers.
Try incorporating the dead fish into your shot. That would be pretty cool!

Or, if you have a waterproof casing like Tom Danneman, go for that elusive fish underwater and train above water shot.
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As much as RP viewers like wreck shots and the like, I don't think they really want to see catfish entrails - those things have quite the intestine, apparently!
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The loco looks much better but there is some strange stuff going on in the sky. if you tilt the monitor forward you may see it. looks like scratches on the negative or something, which obviously it isn't.
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Got a spot of sensor dust in the sky on the far right, just barely above the top of the bridge.
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