Old 06-22-2014, 05:37 PM   #1
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I know it does violate the rule of thirds, but I thought maybe because of the signals on the right it might balance out.
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Old 06-22-2014, 07:52 PM   #2
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Whoever's screening today must be a composition stickler

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I have a different shot where it switches onto the other track, but that'll probably get rejected for a cable shadow on the front.

Maybe i'll try to see if i can crop it to try to but the center of it on the right pole.
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I was going to suggest you try a vertical crop, but you would lose some stuff on the right
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I thought about a vertical crop, it would still put it center, but it would put the polls on each side.
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Old 06-22-2014, 08:19 PM   #6
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Whoever's screening today must be a composition stickler
Or, it's just Standard Operating Procedure.

Both images have the subject somewhat centered.

Add some to the top, loose some foreground on either shot - voila.

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nevermind, I messed something up

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I'll work on that tomorrow.

That was one of the few times I got some good sunlight.
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Or, it's just Standard Operating Procedure.

Both images have the subject somewhat centered.

Add some to the top, loose some foreground on either shot - voila.

/Mitch
Mitch, that would bring the train in Troy's shot even closer to the center of the image... as it stands now, it's pretty damn close to the upper-right thirds intersection.

Greg, as for your shot... do you have room on the right? I'm envisioning something with a little more of the station and associated signals featured. Not sure if it would fly with the screeners, though.

Also - "loose" = "lose"

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http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...82&key=8242561

For the record, the nose of the trailing locomotive is exactly at the upper right rule of thirds junction point. The upper third horizontal grid line goes right through the train. Not sure if this will come out well, but here is a screen cap.

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Mitch, that would bring the train in Troy's shot even closer to the center of the image... as it stands now, it's pretty damn close to the upper-right thirds intersection.

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I think because the train and bridge are so small they actually become the secondary focus point - maybe even the secondary subject to the green patch of "land" in the shot which is somewhat centered in the frame. If you could move that patch of green down, the centered train, I believe, would not be an issue.

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I know it does violate the rule of thirds, but I thought maybe because of the signals on the right it might balance out.
Professional photographers do not drag themselves down with something like the "Rule of Thirds." Sure, that's usually a visually pleasing way to compose most subjects, but it's not essential.

It might better be called "Suggestion of Thirds."
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Professional photographers do not drag themselves down with something like the "Rule of Thirds." Sure, that's usually a visually pleasing way to compose most subjects, but it's not essential.

It might better be called "Suggestion of Thirds."
Amateur Photographers: conform or be cast out!

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I guess I am throwing in the towel on this one

El Roco may have been on to something...
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I guess I am throwing in the towel on this one
You chopped the top AND bottom - basically, the same issues, though I prefer the original.

Take your edit and put the top back - might have a chance on RP.

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Gotta love the 7D's 25frame burst mode.

After looking twice, I found 1 frame out of about 30 that had no shadows.

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Hello? Foreground clutter, Troy? While not obstructing the actual locomotives, the big blob of green bushes S the focus of the shot and terribly distracts from the train in the background which is a sliver of juice, apparently. I don't think it is getting in

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You have the pixels to crop the heck out of it so that the greenery frames three sides of the train. You may not have the Image Quality for that though.
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Hello? Foreground clutter, Troy? While not obstructing the actual locomotives, the big blob of green bushes S the focus of the shot and terribly distracts from the train in the background which is a sliver of juice, apparently. I don't think it is getting in

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You have the pixels to crop the heck out of it so that the greenery frames three sides of the train. You may not have the Image Quality for that though.
If that was the kind of crop I was going for, I would have used a different lens.

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I have tried a few of these shots, and by and large, they either dont get accepted, or I end up having to crop them beyond what my vision was. as it is, the accepted shot is an ok compromise I guess for this one.

I'm not sure I agree with the midset that the train has to be the primary subject. But it's their site, so I understand... until one of the sacred cows does the same thing and it's accepted without so much as a wimper
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I don't believe the train has to be the primary subject; I'm just not sure a bush should be either. But it got in for you.
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I don't believe the train has to be the primary subject; I'm just not sure a bush should be either. But it got in for you.
That's not a bush, it's a mangrove tree. Probably the only one in the database...
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That's not a bush, it's a mangrove tree. Probably the only one in the database...


OK then I will desist.
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OK then I will desist.
Ha, I knew you would like that
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After looking twice, I found 1 frame out of about 30 that had no shadows.

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I think if you cropped off the left off in the original shot putting the train on the left and the interesting stuff on the right, that would work.

Troy
I am with Joe that the train is too small and the big green mangrove is too dominant. Perhaps a longer lens so the train is bigger and the mangrove more a foreground element.

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