Old 02-08-2007, 07:04 PM   #1
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Here are a couple of rejections for today.

The first one, I suspect there is no hope. For the record, the sun is directly on the nose and there is no light on either side of the train. And it was so low it could not even illuminate all of the platform surfaces. Let it go?

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=335624

The second one, not sure. I could go brighter, but to me I wonder if it turns glint into white-out, blown out. What do you think?

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Old 02-08-2007, 07:17 PM   #2
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1st one probably can't be helped. It's more of an issue of photo location than processing.

Personally speaking ( don't know if this is possible), I'd love to see you crop the image a bit differently and even make it darker. Perhaps cropping out the bright yellow sign, and make the image a contrast between the shadowed person, and the red lights on the train, also showing more of the silhouetted roof structure. I'd even make it darker!........but I'm a bit eccentric too. Even so, it might be one of those dreaded "personal collection" shots. Love your POV though.
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Old 02-08-2007, 07:45 PM   #3
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This is my first post to railroad photography and I have had more than a few sucessful shots published world wide. I most likely have a better than 50% of passing the screeners daily criteria. I liked the first shot but do not think you can rescue the second.

I was thinking that railroad photography has not changed all that much since Matthew Brady published his Civil War collection. The rules follow:

sun at your shoulder or back, foreground, subject and background. The only thing that has changed is the addition of color.

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Old 02-08-2007, 07:57 PM   #4
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Looks as if you had better luck at Frankfurt than I did earlier this week, it was overcast with very flat light - not conducive for decent pictures.
Afraid I have to agree regarding letting the Odenwald Bahn one go, not only is it back-lit, I find the equipment on the central platform slightly distracting as it is catching the light.
The ICE one has more chance, definitely crop the yellow advert from the left hand side - this would also remove some of the sky which I find too bright. I would also try increasing the contrast to give more of a silhouette.
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I have always found that shooting from inside a train shed looking out into daylight will always give you this type of shot. Way too much contrast between one end of the train and the other. In the case of the ICE, the front end is dark, but the back of the train has blown the highlights. There is a very easy way to cure this though - try taking the same pic at night when the background will be dark and you can expose for the front of the train without blowing the highlights at the back of the train.
This next bit though is purely my personal preference - I would back off the focal length or stand further back so that there is a bit more room around the train and the top of the arc of the train shed is included in the picture. This in my opinion will give a much more balanced photo.

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Old 02-08-2007, 08:45 PM   #6
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Janet, Matt, I will give your suggestions a go, thanks for them. Or I might wait, I have another backlit special that I might submit first, then see what they do with this one. Although there should be no restriction on successive backlit station shots? We'll see. I have a bunch from that day - the front-lit was a problem given the angle of the sun. I did get one in today:
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Jim, with all due respect, "sun at your shoulder or back" hasn't been a valid restriction for some time. Take a look at the "Screener's Choice" shots here at RP, many of those are back-lit or otherwise creatively lit. Here's my own contribution:
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There is a very easy way to cure this though - try taking the same pic at night when the background will be dark and you can expose for the front of the train without blowing the highlights at the back of the train.
I'll surely do that in the highly unlikely event that I return there. It was a one-time business trip.

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I would back off the focal length or stand further back so that there is a bit more room around the train and the top of the arc of the train shed is included in the picture.
Looking back at my pictures, one thing I regret is not getting better shots of the shed. I have one shot of several of the sheds from outside, but the trains are tiny and there are other issues so I am not submitting it to RP. I have some night shots from inside the shed - I had dinner from a restaurant overlooking one of the main sheds - but I don't think I have anything RP worthy.

I should have done as you suggested, both from outside and in. But some more shots are coming, hopefully one or two more will be accepted.
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Ultimately, no go on either one. Here's the final attempt on the ICE:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=335770

Moving on...
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Ultimately, no go on either one. Here's the final attempt on the ICE:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=335770

Moving on...
I gave it a tweak in Photoshop as you can see. The shot it self lends it self to a bit of High dynamic range work. If you had the time and a tripod you take multiple shots at different exposures, exposing for the shadows, highlights and mid-ranges and then with a bit of Photoshop trickery you combine them into one image that looks correctly exposed from the bright areas to the dark areas in the image.

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Old 02-09-2007, 10:35 AM   #10
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Ah, superb, Christine! Excellent demonstration.

I have yet to tackle learning HDR. Maybe I'll come back to this one some day. Although, other than being an ICE and so sleek, it's an ordinary image and I should probably learn HDR on something more worthy. On the other hand, maybe this one is simple enough that it would make for a good first try.
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