Old 08-01-2015, 02:39 PM   #1
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Yes, it is not a good picture; I understand the reject and will not appeal.

Still I like the texture of the front of the engine and that juxtaposition of the coal dock with the brand new electric locomotive.

Besides; Mitch liked it!

"Mitch Goldman Screener's Choice!

Recalling Kathi Kube's "conversation" - Conversations about Photography 2014, I think she might be a fan. It's "real", not staged and candid. Sometimes it's good to get out of postcard mode, as you always tell me."

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Yeah, i'm shockingly in agreement with them on this one Dennis... that cat pole really screws things up, I know it's real and all, but no...
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Old 08-01-2015, 05:02 PM   #3
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Oh, I know the pole is a big no-no and I understand if anyone does not like it at all. Heck, I hate the pole! (I also can tell it is not working judging by the tepid response as my FB cover photo.)

But like many things you own, you have affection for it, flaws and all.

I have not traveled by Amtrak in years and this was the start of a overnighter to Chicago. So the likelihood of going back is remote.

So I am not looking for ways to get it on RP, I just wanted to share something for us juice junkies.

If you want to see my good stuff, (inserting shameless plug) pick up the August 2015 Issue of Railfan & Railroad.

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Old 08-01-2015, 06:12 PM   #4
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As a huge Dennis Livesey fan and promoter, I honestly have to stop and ask, "What were you thinking?"

Out of postcard mode, sure - into grab shot from a moving train with obstruction and focus issues - not so much.

I remain a huge fan of Dennis Livesey. I will assume that this was a brain freeze.
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Shameless!

My own "but I like it" shot:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jrm_dc...posted-public/



Hmm, flickr image won't show. Don't see how to get to the URL for the jpg itself.
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Old 08-01-2015, 09:15 PM   #6
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I'll take "Similar shots on my hard drives that will never see the light of day" for $600 Alex.

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but, but, but Loyd ... it is seeing the light of day, it is on Flickr!!! Approaching 100 views at a rapid rate!
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Old 08-02-2015, 01:43 AM   #8
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"As a photographer, and especially as a railroad photographer, my personal goal is to push the limits of my own creative ability as far as I can with each effort. As a result, I don't always produce images that fit the standard protocol of railfan photography, and therefore they don't and won't get published at this point in time.

Sadly, I can't help but think how many other "outside the box" railroad images are passed up each month for the sake of remaining loyal to one standard type of railroad photographic style firmly embraced by the fan mags, that being the holy grail of the wedge shot." Steve Crise.

Jeff Brouws champions vernacular photographs, which in the art world, are types of accidental art that are often unintentionally artistic.

"A good photographer never shows his bad pictures." O. Winston Link.
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I think every image has value and interest. It may be negative value and interest but even then you can use it as a lesson to grow with.

You can look at my shot or any "bad shot" conservatively and use it as a lesson of what not to do. Or you could be more liberal about it and think how you can use its ideas in the future.

While I normally use the conservative approach, I often try the liberal to stretch my limits.
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Unlike a lot of folks, I often delete images in-camera, in the field, when it's obvious to me that the frame is in the class that Lloyd talked about. That's become even more true now that some of my shooting is being done with a 24 MP D750. Frames with really annoying obstructions, or ones in which the subject is really close to the edge of the frame....or even worse, cut off.... typically never even make it to my hard drive.
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Charles, am I back in your good graces?

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You never left them, my friend! Great shot.
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Probably no hope for this one. I was wide at 18mm so the train curves upward on both sides of the frame. Rejected twice for leaning left.

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Probably no hope for this one. I was wide at 18mm so the train curves upward on both sides of the frame. Rejected twice for leaning left.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...58&key=3229651
Now this one I like a lot and should get a good response. I am not sure what it would take but I would keep trying.

There should be hope????
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphot...=538066&nseq=4

It is always a curiosity to me when something becomes unlevel enough, distorted enough, dark enough or far away enough etc to be Ok.
Probably should have used a fisheye then it would be creative.

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Probably no hope for this one. I was wide at 18mm so the train curves upward on both sides of the frame. Rejected twice for leaning left.

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Looks absolutely fine to me. If it anything it appears to be leaning right to me.
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Looks absolutely fine to me.
whew. And you drive?

This is trademark 'go wide and point high' distortion. It needs a ton of vertical and horizontal correction, and probably 1 degree of rotation to get it much closer to 'fine'.

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In defense of Derek, whether a shot needs correction depends on taste - I don't recall RP having perspective distortion as a criterion. Some prefer it corrected, you, Thias, me sometimes or maybe more often; others don't care, me sometimes.

In this case, to me it is "just a shot," and in particular I'm not a fan of so many backsides, so I don't feel the need for correction. Correction won't make it improved, in my view; just different.
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whew. And you drive?
Well I lost it after I got pulled over for driving too far to the left.

I saw the distortion. Didn't bother me too much. Lol
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Try 1 degree CW.
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In defense of Derek, whether a shot needs correction depends on taste
Everything is subjective, but how can you look at that and go.. yup that's fine.

Unless intentional for artistic merit, it shows a lack of editing prowess and a disregard for the final product.


Might as well skip sharpening, and any other editing too. Those are taste dependent.

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I hear ya, Loyd. I guess maybe I just don't care much for the shot. My ultimate standard is - will it be better?

The shot does suffer from the camera not being squared up perpendicular to the horizontal path of the bridge, tis true. But it is level in my view, the verticals near the middle are vertical. I don't care about the tilt-in on the sides.
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Everything is subjective, but how can you look at that and go.. yup that's fine.
Because I can.
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Interesting that CW is the suggested rotation when CW will make the horizontal of the bridge even more unlevel. That part of the unlevel rejection IS leaning to the right, as Derek pointed out.
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