Old 07-11-2006, 11:47 PM   #1
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Doesn't the current photo of the week give the wrong impression to those people who have photos rejected for high sun? Now granted I like the photo but clearly it is very high sun. I'm not knocking the staff or website, but making a point on inconsistancies of approvals based on if someone may personally like a photo it may squeeze by. But making photo of the week for a photo that clearly goes against the websites own standards, well isn't that a bit misleading to members?

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Not trying to turn this into a bitch session, just making a point.
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Old 07-11-2006, 11:54 PM   #2
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I think the reason why this stands is even though the photo does suffer from high sun, the excellent composure of the photograph more than make up for it. Remember too that high sun rejections, like most of the rejection reasons are general and not specific. Usually if a photo is rejected for high sun, its because it is a photo that is not very well composed and suffering from high sun. There will always be exceptions to any rules. That's not just rail photography. That's life. Additionally, photography is an art and like all forms of art, it is subject to many different interpretations. The interpretation of those that run this site, is that the photo was good enough to make it onto the site and was good enough for photo of the week.
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Aside from the awesome scenery and excellent composition, how does that picture differ from almost every high sun rejection we have seen on these forums over the past few weeks?

And, yes, sometimes I do answer a question with a question.


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The real problem is that this is just another, "How in the hell did this photo get in?" thread. There seem to be way too many of them lately.
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Well that wasn't my intention. I love the photo. Personally I think they could have lightened up the trucks a bit. But I was just making a point, friendly discussion, whatever. Nothing meanspirited!
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Well this photo does have it faults but is it still Photo of the week material? Hell yes and for good reason as VirginiaSouthern summed it up so beautifully in the second posting of this thread.

However if we are going to nit pick here are my observations.



  1. It has a blueish colour cast (On my monitor at least)
  2. It's a bit under exposed.
  3. It's got a bit of a tilt to it made worse by the use of a wide angle lens.
  4. Theres one hell of an ugle locomotive on the pointy end.
Ok, so lets get my photoshop bag of tricks into operation and see what we can do about numbers 1 to 3 above, number 4 we will let slide.

Colour cast easily fixed, exposure took a bit more work not to blow the highlights out, rotate the image and tweak the colours a little.

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Old 07-12-2006, 06:30 AM   #7
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photos rejected for high sun? Now granted I like the photo but clearly it is very high sun.

I thought the same thing. I've heard other people (off forum) say the same thing. I'm not commenting on anything else (not the scenery, etc...) but the high sun is very obvious.
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Too much dead space on the left, and not enough room for the loco to move into.
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Too much dead space on the left, and not enough room for the loco to move into.
Its called scenery..not every photo has to be cropped to the train. Now that wasn't directed towards you because I absolutely love your photos on this site, but it seems that people have lost interest or intent on capturing scenery and instead just take a "snapshot" of the train. Personally, I think it is cropped too tightly how it was accepted. The top of the mountains are cut off and like you said not enough space on the right.

On a different note, does anyone understand the concept of that composition is actually put into perspective before lighting on good photos. Yes, clearly this was taken during high sun but its composed much better than 90% of the photos added on a single day or week for that matter. And some may now say that they have taken a shot from a "scenic" location and had it rejected for something...thats probably because there is already a few or few hundred photos from that spot so maybe its time to find somewhere else!?

If the photographer had stuck around until the light was on the side of the bridge would the SD70M-2 (one of how many?!) be on the point or would it be the usualy widecab? Think of the situation and composition before the lighting.
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Well this photo does have it faults but is it still Photo of the week material? Hell yes and for good reason as VirginiaSouthern summed it up so beautifully in the second posting of this thread.

However if we are going to nit pick here are my observations.



  1. It has a blueish colour cast (On my monitor at least)
  2. It's a bit under exposed.
  3. It's got a bit of a tilt to it made worse by the use of a wide angle lens.
  4. Theres one hell of an ugle locomotive on the pointy end.
Ok, so lets get my photoshop bag of tricks into operation and see what we can do about numbers 1 to 3 above, number 4 we will let slide.

Colour cast easily fixed, exposure took a bit more work not to blow the highlights out, rotate the image and tweak the colours a little.

End result attached.

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Well that wasn't my intention. I love the photo. Personally I think they could have lightened up the trucks a bit. But I was just making a point, friendly discussion, whatever. Nothing meanspirited!
I thought the same thing about the trucks and I understood the point of this post so at least one person understands you weren't criticizing the photog. This is what the forums are for, if we don't discuss anything then they will just sit here empty with no one posting.
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Funny how others pointed out some flaws I hadn't noticed, I did think though initially that the photo was a tad too dark. I tend to agree too about the train not always being the focal point of a scenery shot. I took a nice photo yesterday of a UP intermodal with 4 new C45ACCTE's on the front, a perfectly clear desert day, but then thought, it won't get approved I'll get the old "Needs to be cropped tighter" comment from the screeners. So I'll probably go with a tighter shot to start with.

Well I wish I had some scenery like the photo in the discussion!
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I agree, that crop killed the photo.
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I agree, that crop killed the photo.
When I rotated the image (2.5 deg) the mountains got the chop when I squared the frame up. If you look at the depot in the background behind the train the storage tanks have a fair bit of a lean to them in the original. As cropping was not a big issue in this discussion I did not worry about it too much.

Though the image is a "High sun shot" this acturally works in it's favor. The rocks on the river bank stand out as been rugged the shadow has given them a 3D effect. As stated else where the trucks are in shadow but even so you can still see the detail of the truck, it's not just a black shape.

The exercise was more about how a little bit of post processing can improve/correct minor image faults. In this case a colour cast and a smidgen under exposed.


Just for the record I did give it my vote.

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