Old 07-14-2006, 01:27 AM   #1
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I need either suggestions on if it is possible to make this photo acceptable, or advice on how I can improve the general composition better next time I head out there.
The shot was first rejected for bad cropping.
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=267212
So I recropped it closer to the power lines and it was rejected for bad angle.
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=267234
Unfortunately, this was the only good(well at least RP wise) shot I got because the sun would only go behind the clouds when the a train was visible and I had set up my shot.
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Old 07-14-2006, 03:11 AM   #2
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It was probably because "its just a bunch of poles and powerlines" that it was rejected. I must say though this is a very creative shot. I'm glad to see someone thinking outside the box of just standing next to the tracks and shooting the same angle over and over and over. There is probably nothing you can do to get this shot or angle accepted but I think this was an EXCELLENT try to stay away from the boring typical shots most would have gone with. Don't get frustrated (I know you're not but I'm just saying) and ggive in to shooting the dreaded (by most) 3/4 angle if your creative shots keep getting rejected. It's very "refreshing" to see someone thinking about their shots instead of picking up the camera and getting a snapshot. Nice work, too bad this one didn't make the grade. I really am looking forward to seeing more.

Try to find railroad related props to try to make it on railpictures.net, but keep trying new things like this when thats not available.
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"When life gives you lemons, make lemonade." I'd say this was creative use of that idea, but since the screeners don't agree, there isn't much you can do other than appeal and hope that Chris, who makes interesting use of non RR scenic elements himself, is thinking outside the box that day!

I realize that power poles are hated by most rail fans and when they are growing out of the locomotive or a tangled mess in the background they should deservedly be rejected, but this one makes creative use of the power lines.

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mike, honestly if your pic was accepted to the database i would nominate it.its really avery creative shot.and i like the idea that you include some other objects that all of us see it daily in your shot.and as the shot wasnot accpeted in rp.net thats not meaning that its bad.its just donot meet one or two standards of the website.but IMO it meets all my standards .
just appeal it and explain your point of view and i hope that it will be accepted.
keep up the great work mike.
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I certainly admire your motives by trying to do something different.

However, the powerlines are just too dominant in the photo. It's hard for me to view the photo and look at the train without having the towers distract me from it.

Just try to keep in mind that the subject (train) should be the major player in the photo, the power lines should form a nice compliment to the overall image.

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Just try to keep in mind that the subject (train) should be the major player in the photo, the power lines should form a nice compliment to the overall image.

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Huh? Spoken like a true railfan.

Anyway, great concept. Love the composition...
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I agree with the others, that is a cool shot. The way I was taught, from a photojournalistic point of view, is that the surroundings really can make the shot.
So lately I've been chugging away with the same old, same old, 3/4 shot. It's a safe bet to get pictures on this site, as sad as it may be to admit. I found it funny, because I came on the forums looking for help on a "bad angle" shot as well. I'd gotten a couple wedgies on this morning, and thought it be a good time to try one of my 'creative' shots. Lo and behold, it got accepted on the first try, a stunning move to me! http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=151316
One of the next attempts, a good ol' 3/4 wedgie, got knocked for bad angle! http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=268096
It goes to show, this isn't just photography, this is a mental game of Stratego we're all playing here on railpictures.net! You gotta love it...
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Thanks for all the good comments guys! Unfortunately, it got rejected on appeal. I'll probably head back to that spot in the next week or two, since its a cool spot, and this was only the first time I'd been there. It was a shame that the sun kept going behind the clouds, since there was some unusual power that day. There was a Quebec, North Shore, & Labrador unit and the Argonne local ran long hood forward back to Hodgkins that day.
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Huh? Spoken like a true railfan.
I'm going to judge that comment was spoken in jest.

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Huh? Spoken like a true railfan.

Anyway, great concept. Love the composition...
Is this not a site for railpictures? Scenery should add to a shot, yes, but it should not detract from it. That is what has happened in this picture.

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I liked the shot, but the power poles are very dominant. You had to take the photo with the engines back a bit to fit between the small trees/large bushes along the track.

Here's my suggestion, take a folding saw and remove the bushes, then shoot the train later, so the engines will be larger. Crop more of the wires out and it will still be an unusual shot, but it might be more to the tastes of the screeners.

Here's a quick and dirty photo shop simulation of how it might look.

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Or he could have simply tried moving a wee bit closer to the tracks and changing the angle from which he was shooting. There's more than one way to skin a cat.
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Yes, but I couldn't do that in photo shop!
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Yes, but I couldn't do that in photo shop!
Aye, I know.

Basically I was just giving slopes the advice to try the shot again at the location from a different angle.
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Thanks for the advice Michael, that looks a lot better. Oh, and I'd try the saw, but I don't think my parents would let me borrow it, plus this location can only be reached by a 2.5 mile bike ride.
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Which ever way I look at it, the photo quality of the train itself is not the best.
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After traveling with a bunch of British railfans, who always do some basic "gardening" along the ROW, I realized what a difference it makes when you can remove a few offending bushes. I bought a small folding saw from Home Depot with a 9" blade which folds into the handle, sort of like a big jack knife. It fits in my camera bag with no problem.

I don't cut stuff on private property, but for bushes up on the roadbed or saplings growing in the drainage ditches I figure I'm actually doing the RR a favor!

On a CPR steam charter, we had a freeloader stand in front of the photo line and refuse to move, so one of our group cut a small pine tree and "planted" it right behind him, so we all have a pine tree in the foreground, not a person! Folding saws come in real handy at times!
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