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BNSF-CN 2 10.00%
UP-CN 2 10.00%
UP-CSXT 2 10.00%
BNSF-NS 5 25.00%
NS-CSXT 0 0%
CP-CN 0 0%
BNSF-UP 0 0%
CN-KCS 5 25.00%
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Old 11-03-2005, 02:18 AM   #1
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What major railroads do you think will be the next to merge?
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Old 11-03-2005, 02:24 AM   #2
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I think a BNSF/NS merger might be a future merger.Of all the things I've heard,I think they would fit like puzzle pieces...........and if that happens a UP/CSX merger could happen.If BNSF and NS merged then UP and CSX would almost have to merge just to keep up,although it would by hard because both UP and CSX have had a few problems in the last few years and are still getting over them.
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Old 11-03-2005, 02:45 AM   #3
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I picture a CN/KCS merger likely. Two smaller railroads which, if not overlap, come close to meet. The CN could then cross the entire continent.
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Old 11-03-2005, 03:05 AM   #4
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The UP and CSX merger has been talked about for years.
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I can also see the UP-CSXT happening. Someone will eventually merge with KCS, but it won't be CN. They already have the IC, which goes to the same places, so essentially it would only be buying out the competition.
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CN would wan't KCS for a route to Mexico and CN seems to be the only one buying things lately.They bought the IC in 1999,WC in 2001,and both DMIR and BLE last year while no other Class 1 railroads bought anything.I don't like CN's method,I'd rather save up and buy a big railroad than buy smaller railroads although I think IC was a Class 1 RR.
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Awwww I dont know. I guess from a railfan prespective, I would like to see CN buy more "little" railroads, especially around the midwest because that may mean more power variaty through Freeport. I talked to a CN engineer, and he told me that CN wants to buy the EJ&E railroad, that would be interesting.
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Awwww I dont know. I guess from a railfan prespective, I would like to see CN buy more "little" railroads, especially around the midwest because that may mean more power variaty through Freeport. I talked to a CN engineer, and he told me that CN wants to buy the EJ&E railroad, that would be interesting.
EJE??????? they're just a terminal railroad.I guess CN would want 'em for the interchange traffic with other railroads in Chicago.

I guess I don't know exactly how CN operates but It is very strange to me.

Maybe UP will by CN soon.I talked to a UP engineer about 2 years ago and he said that UP was intersted in buying CN.Maybe they're waiting for CN to make the right move(like buying KCS) and then buy them for the ability to reach Canada and Mexico.
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Yeah, CN does opperate in a strange way. I wish the old CCP still ran through here.........
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Yeah, CN does opperate in a strange way. I wish the old CCP still ran through here.........
Yes I do wish that too,my friends dad has told me many things about the line through Freeport and I realize it has seen far better times.I like your avatar of the engine house,unfortuneatly I wasn't able to get photos like that since I moved to Freeport just after they shut that down.Hopefully CN won't shut the line through Freeport down like a few lines in WI.
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Oh I dont think so. In fact, Dave told me that up wants to start bring 5-10 coal trains a day through here. Thats why all of this track MOW has been happening. Also, CN could start running one or two more freights a day because they are talking about putting a 150 car limit on the trains for some reason. Thanks for the comment on my photo. BTW check your Private Messages Joe, got some info in there. Later!
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Oh I dont think so. In fact, Dave told me that up wants to start bring 5-10 coal trains a day through here. Thats why all of this track MOW has been happening. Also, CN could start running one or two more freights a day because they are talking about putting a 150 car limit on the trains for some reason. Thanks for the comment on my photo. BTW check your Private Messages Joe, got some info in there. Later!
WOW! I did not know that but that will be cool
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Old 11-03-2005, 08:43 PM   #14
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Just keep in mind that UP merges with nobody. It's either all UP or nothing...
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Old 11-03-2005, 08:49 PM   #15
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TRAFFIC WORLD October 24, 2005
UPS Rails Against Rails
Brown says railroads have long way to catch up with demands of express delivery
BY JOHN GALLAGHER

Express delivery giant UPS says it has been burned by the railroads too much in recent years to agree to future rail mergers until the industry gets it act together. In sharp comments to the Surface Transportation Board's hearing on the past and future of railroad deregulation Thomas F. Jensen, a UPS vice president, said recent trends have diminished performance, disrupted service and constrained intermodal operations. As a result of recent rail mergers we have seen little new rail capacity; ' Jensen said.
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I think KCS is the key to the next round of mega-mergers. Whoever makes a move for them will set off a chain reaction. I think CN will make this move.

Then it will probably be BNSF/NS, UP/CSX. UP will absorb CSX without leaving a trace, and BNSF/NS will probably keep the same BNSF name but I bet they can come up with a new logo using the same letters showing the two roads. Something like BNSF. As far as CP, well, I don't know. They'll probably get sucked up into UP.

But this is my thought, and I'm probably WAY off!!
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I talked to a CN engineer, and he told me that CN wants to buy the EJ&E railroad, that would be interesting.
I hope that doesn't happen. I live two minutes away from the EJ&E tracks.
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i would really hate to see UP and CP join, there reportings would be C.U.P. or see you pee
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Again, thank you Trains Magazine for filling the youngin's heads with hopes of mergers without first looking at the dire infrastructure and financial consequences. I knew there was a reason I cancelled my subscription.

1.) NS has nothing to gain and everything to lose by merging. Right now, they're setting record profits, and have the lowest operating ratio of all the Class 1's. They easily recovered from the Conrail mess, but merging with anyone now would be disastrous.

2.) UP is already plugged up enough as it is. What kind of idiot running that RR want to merge without first cleaning up the mess? What idiots would want to merge with them anyway?

3.) BNSF may be the better RR in the west. However, see items #1 and #2.

4.) CSX still hasn't recovered from the Conrail mess, and their ONE plan doesn't seem to be working. See items 1 and 2

5.) Canada already has 2 national systems, and they don't need to be all over the US if you ask me.

6.) Nobody wants to pay up for KCS, so scratch them out of any mergers.

If you ask me, any merger right now would probably spell the end of the Class 1's as we know it. Take a look at UP. They screwed up two mergers in two years and STILL haven't recovered. Having two "national" systems isn't as good as everyone thinks it is. Where is the competition then? I highly doubt the STB would even allow this sort of thing to happen. Also, the railroads are hurting for people to work for them. A merger would only complicate this.
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Caleb,
I have to agree with you on this one.
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Again, thank you Trains Magazine for filling the youngin's heads with hopes of mergers without first looking at the dire infrastructure and financial consequences. I knew there was a reason I cancelled my subscription
Well they are all riled up from looking at your website photos.

A merger would just further complicate things to the point of no return. What you have to ask yourself is what the railroads would gain from merging? Take NS, already doing well, what would they need another companies mess for? Pardon the pun but CSX is a trainwreck, and UP is not much better. All that would do is just bog down railservice across the country, and screw the class 2's and shortlines.

Good motto when it comes to RR mergers. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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Good motto when it comes to RR mergers. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I don't think Southern and Norfolk and Western were exactly broken when they merged in '82. Burlington Northern and Santa Fe? Each were hardly broken as well, in my opinion.

And having broken pieces doesn't necessarily mean things are going to work, either. PRR+NYC anyone? Granted, nobody wanted to join them, though.

Modern day mergers are a result of a fear of being the "smallest guy" on the block and not the "most needy" as was the case in the 60's, 70's and 80's. Why else would NS have bothered to challenge CSX's bid to purchase Conrail? True, CSX's complete absorbancy of CR would have been a disastrous. Yes, we all know that the time was right to chop up big blue, but trust me- neither CSX nor NS wanted to be on the short end of the stick when the pie was divided even though neither were very hungry.

(This is just one humble man's opinion, and is not intended for impressionable audiences.)
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2.) UP is already plugged up enough as it is. What kind of idiot running that RR want to merge without first cleaning up the mess? What idiots would want to merge with them anyway?
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