Old 03-18-2010, 06:47 PM   #1
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Default Cloudy? REALLY?

Not a single photo from this sunny day was accepted, all saying cloudy, I'm confused, these guys on crack again?

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Old 03-18-2010, 07:18 PM   #2
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Well they look cloudy to me, especially the second shot, lots of cirrus clouds (I think thats the name, maybe our aviation expert Kevin can chime in)

You may be able to get the first on if you play with it some.
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Old 03-18-2010, 07:27 PM   #3
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Usually think of cloudy shots as shot they are low lighting grey clouds, not little cirus clouds in the backround, if photos got rejected for having cirus clouds 50% of this datebase would be gone
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Cloudy rejection = no light on the subject.

The first one looks nice but it is poorly lit.
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Usually think of cloudy shots as shot they are low lighting grey clouds, not little cirus clouds in the backround, if photos got rejected for having cirus clouds 50% of this datebase would be gone
Well the second is almost completely gray, I can barely see blue sky.
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The light is very, very flat and the light is astoundingly dull. The second picture also looks blurry.
There's definitely a difference between the pop you get on many of the shots you've seen accepted here and your shots.
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The first picture is better, but you still have to contend with those darn poles blocking most of the cars.
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I'm confused, these guys on crack again?
Do you want feedback or do you want to vent? If the latter, mission accomplished, now go away, your attitude is pathetic, not to mention your ability to assess your image. If the former, process the shot properly and don't blame others for your failure to do the basics right.
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Well they look cloudy to me, especially the second shot, lots of cirrus clouds (I think thats the name, maybe our aviation expert Kevin can chime in)

You may be able to get the first on if you play with it some.
Both shots appear to have a deck of cirrostratus clouds filtering the sun....more so in the second than in the first. It is amazing how much light those darn cirrus clouds can filter out. Even on an otherwise nice, sunny day, one little patch of cirrus can really spoil a perfect shot if it should cross the sun at the wrong time....which it always does!

Unlike the RP purists, I don't have a big problem with the first shot....but I'm not a Screener either. While the sun is obviously filtered, the light is decent and even. I think if this were anything but a standard wedge (meaning if it had more scenery etc.), it would get in. There are plenty of diesel shots on RP with poorer lighting than this. More latitude on lighting is clearly given to shots that go "beyond the wedge." I'd lose the big, honkin' watermark, work on getting it a little brighter and try one more time.

WRT the second shot, I would put that one aside. The cloud filter there was clearly a lot denser and the shot does fit solidly into the cloudy/poor light category. As others have pointed out, it is also blurry/soft.
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I thought mnaybe you linked the wrong shots, Drew. I was looking for the sunny day shots that were wrongly rejected, not those cloudy day shots. Actually, I do tend to agree with Kevin about the first one including the watermark. I also wholeheartely agree with what Janusz said as well.
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Ive gotten in a shot with similar filtered light, i think it wouldnt be as much of a issue if you didnt have so much sky. It needs a good bit of saturation and contrast added and id say it has a good chance since it is a rare unit.
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The second one is def cloudy.

The first one looks like winter desert clouds. They have a scientific name I"m sure, but on a recent trip to the UP Cima line in California, the whole freaking sky was covered by a very thin layer of clouds. Just enough to defuse the light, but not enough to make it dark like a cloudy day.
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So a very very thin cloud cover is rejected with plenty of sun on the subject, but this photo is accepted with clearly cloudy overcast skies? I don't get these guys

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So a very very thin cloud cover is rejected with plenty of sun on the subject, but this photo is accepted with clearly cloudy overcast skies? I don't get these guys

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No offense, but I am not seeing any traces of the sun on your subject. Sure there is some light filtering through the clouds and a washed out sky, but as far is the sun is concerned it's not there. At least in Steve's shot which is under cloudy skies you have a tighter shot which is eliminating the gray sky and showing an angle which is more appealing to me in my opinion.

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It was one of them days, I would work on your WB just a tad blue, Appeal the first one if you want as you have hard shadows, the other one I don't see it getting on.
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So a very very thin cloud cover is rejected with plenty of sun on the subject, but this photo is accepted with clearly cloudy overcast skies? I don't get these guys

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I definitely think your best bet is to compare your rejected shot to a shot already in the database and then say, "I don't get these guys." Because I'm sure they're about to send an e-mail to you apologizing for not accepting your cloudy day shot and will soon accept it and give you a Screener's Choice! Way to go!
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Cloudy? REALLY? No, obviously not because you can clearly see shadows. I take it this is close to how it came out of the camera which was probably set to your normal sunny day settings. With the thin layer of clouds (not thick enough to do away with the shadows) the shot is slightly underexposed which would have been the rejection I would have chosen rather than cloudy. The histogram is your best friend. The clouds not only made the image darker but it also killed the natural contrast you get from full sun. Simple solution, increase contrast (+5 to +20) and you get shadows back. Well that creates a new problem, where the clouds are thicker, it got darker. By using the shadow/highlight tool +10 shadows you can bring back the detail in those areas and +5 highlights you get back some detail in the white sky you lost with increasing the contrast. Poof, its sunny again.

P.S. It also had a slight green tint so I just hit "Auto Color" and it fixed it nicely.
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So..... Professor Blaszczyk, when are you going to offer Post Processing 201 as an RP University Extension Course? I wanna sign up!
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P.S. It also had a slight green tint so I just hit "Auto Color" and it fixed it nicely.
Comparing the reject to your processing, there is quite a noticeable difference. I would think if he had submitted something similar to your "fix," it would have been accepted. Filtered sunlight, perhaps, but it's still a nicely composed shot and I can't see why it shouldn't be accepted (with the fix, of course).
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Call me contrarian, but I'm a bigger fan of the reject than I am of the fix. The fixed version looks a little over exposed as well as over processed to me. Maybe a third try that puts the results in between the rejection and the fix. On the other hand, I'm no screener either. Just my opinion.
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Call me contrarian, but I'm a bigger fan of the reject than I am of the fix. The fixed version looks a little over exposed as well as over processed to me. Maybe a third try that puts the results in between the rejection and the fix. On the other hand, I'm no screener either. Just my opinion.
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